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  1. Hello all! I often times feel bipolar regarding herpes. One day I'm highly optimistic and the next I am ready to have a King Kong moment and destroy everything (figuratively) of course. Today, I was thinking and daydreaming. I could imagine everyone in their homes waiting for the a press conference about the hsv cure. OMG! We would all cheer as if our favorite football team won the Super Bowl. News channel after news channel reporting the breakthrough. Happy tears and chocolate cake!!! Maybe we are not that far off from this breakthrough. At least, that is my hope. For those of us who are in our 30's, it is my hope that we are still in our 30's when we receive the news. Start saving now....I'm sure the insurance companies will not fund it. Well, Trump is president...I guess anything is possible. Here's to our 5 year wait....may it bring Crispr or whatever cure! Cheers!
  2. Hey i have been using something for a while now and I'm convinced it works. I don't want to be greedy so I'll share my recipe and I'd be interested to know how u get on. Can be used as a daily ointment on the area effected or 3 x a day when u sense an outbreak coming on applied with cotton wool. 25 ml fractioned coconut oil 25 ml virgin olive oil 12 drops Tea Tree oil 20 drops origano oil 8 drops propolis liquid Mix well before use and if any irritation increase olive/coconut oils Good luck I also want to keep u up to date with my progress. I use the above to treat/stop an outbreak and have recently started the following to work on ridding myself of the virus altogether. Morning and evening 5 drops of an oregano oil mixed with unrefined olive oil under the tongue. Mix 8-10 drops of oregano oil to every ounce of olive oil. Shake well before use. I will rub 4 drops of oregano oil mixed with pure coconut oil at the base of my spine. Only recently added dmso to this. Well it's been 3 weeks so far and no hint of an ob. Ill keep u posted
  3. Bhbr2018

    A poem: Death to the CDC

    “I was tested, I’m clean,” he said on the phone I said “Are you sure?” I didn’t like his tone Can I see your results, in plain black and white? Cause something feels off, I know it’s not right “My blood tests all negative, I’m in the clear”, I said “Where is HSV bloods, cause I don’t see it here?” We both seemed confused, and picked up the phone It’s not included in the panel? How should we have known? Did I give it to him? Did he give it to me? The CDC doesn’t test for herpes? HOW COULD THIS BE? Did he cheat? Was it dormant? Did I pass on a disease? No answers from lab coats to put me at ease No bedside manner, or kindness in their voice They decide what to test, what about our choice? I have to beg and to plead to pay for a test? Because knowing my own status will cause me more stress? Is this all a joke? Some kind of enigma? For a medical community to promote this kind of stigma? “We don’t think the test will change a damn thing” How about the psycological pain it will inevitably bring? “We therefore encourage doctors not to run the test” So let the poor symptomatics deal with the mess? “Ignorance is bliss, so it’s better to not know” And for everyone else, you reap what you sow? “It’s a harmless skin condition,” they’ll tell you I’m sure But let’s not test or talk about it, and not look for the cure False positives, the stigma, and lies all around A few examples as to why the CDC let’s us all down DEATH TO THE CDC fuck it right up the ass Include Hsv in the tests, we all may not pass And that’s perfectly fine let’s talk about it more Let’s normalize the STI, and the common cold sore.
  4. sothisislife

    big pharma, money, and a cure

    I was diagnosed GHSV2+ in 7/2017. I had the strangest calmness the entire diagnosis period, it was truly bizarre. I guess I just wasn't really worried; I have this innate, basically primal, belief that there is a yin to every yang… an ‘intuition’’ if you will. For the sake of the length of this response, I won’t go too deep into what I believe. But to make a long story short, NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE we all come from the same place. Science says big bang, one event. Religion says we come from God, … one being. No matter your beliefs, all creation hypotheses are similar in that it was ONE thing/being/event that created everything. I abso-fuckin-lutely cannot and WILL NOT entertain the assumption that anything is "incurable." A hypothesis that is substantiated and proven over and over again becomes a theory. But a theory is not fact. The only things that have been proven is that WESTERN MEDICINE cannot cure Herpes, as of yet. Mind you, they have not and will never do any kind of legitimate research or trials on naturally occurring substances (esters, herbs, plants, trees, flowers, etc.). Why? Because it is illegal to paten nature. No paten = No money. They are making trillions of dollars a year on Herpes alone. Before 1928, people died all the time of infections. The discovery of penicillin enabled mankind to say "hey, I have a cure for that!" But people all around the world have been curing infections for millennia with herbs. Example: I have an ear infection. My options are to 1. provide my body with proper nutrients, maybe stuff some garlic in my ear, and allow my body to do what its designed to do OR 2. (the lazy way) drop a few drippy drops of an antibiotic solution in my ear twice a day for 10 days. BOTH will work, but BIG PHARMA can only paten one, profit off one, and claim "curability" for one. Which do you think it is?! In my opinion, we will NEVER see a cure for herpes. Medically and symptomatically, Herpes just isn’t a big enough deal. No one has ever died from Herpes. It is the 21st century and there are people out there, like me and possibly you, who don’t give a fork about big pharma’s claim to the incurability of Herpes. It is 08/2018 and I’ve had herpes for 13 months now. I have done an INSANE amount of research in the quest to cure myself. I have read (not many) testimonials from people claiming to have cured themselves. The problem (and scary part) is that these people won’t provide contact information, their names, or anything else identifying. The number of holistic healers who are dying and disappearing is honestly super forking scary. I want to know all your thoughts on this!! Comment down below. Links to a few studies performed on esters and herbs proving viricidal efficacy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28196487 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13678235 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22377592 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18693101 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19576248
  5. Ribbon35

    Herpes in a pill to heal?

    Has anyone ever heard of capturing the secretions of your herpes breakout in tiny medical jar so that the virus can be collected and put into pills so that you can take them on the daily as a way to prevent recurring outbreaks? I had a naturopath suggest this option to me as a way to decrease outbreaks. He even gave me the jar to capture and bring back to him whenever I have my next outbreak. Something about reintroducing your own herpes virus into your body helps build your immune system? Anyway someone there testified to it working for them for the past 6 months so I'm actually considering it. What do you guys think?
  6. A good compilation of ongoing clinical trials for herpes is on this website: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?recrs=ab&cond=Herpes+Simplex&term=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist= I also like this site for an idea of what's currently being funded by the NIH/NIAID. You can also view all of their publications on HSV: https://projectreporter.nih.gov/reporter_searchresults.cfm
  7. Sanguine108 believed in St John's wort combo therapy and I was looking for elements/actions that would give me everything to punch HSV2 from many angles and give me- 1. body that was alkaline since hsv loves an acid anaerobic environment. Apple cider vinegar or lemon/lime water minus an overload of carbs. Possibly Keto like Bethany. Fulvic Acid (thanks JxC) to keep it alkaline and get the much-needed minerals entering at a cellular level. 2. To build the immune system, I was short on DHEA. I will probably look into boosting immune system with the correct amount of vitamin A, B complex, E, zinc picolinate /quality zinc do not ingest zinc oxide, Iodine, extra vitamin D, 4000iu , extra Vit C possible liposomal ( or make your own because liposomal C and glutathione is so pricey) unless you take it to bowel tolerance, minerals like boron, magnesium citrate, (unless you want the Hershey squirts) Ashwagandha powder (1t) to get the thyroid humming perfectly, and Glutathione immunity booster, it is involved all our cells and our number one antioxidant. Take them as directed more is not better especially vit A 9 ways to boost glutathione https://draxe.com/glutathione/ 3. dissolving the lipid coating of HSV 2 with St. John's wort and BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene), an FDA-approved food preservative - I have only been using it for a week. Book -http://www.projectwellbeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/BHTbook-StevenWmFowkes-100903.pdf less than a gram/1000mg (more is not better) because it is less expensive or a combo of Brand-Lauricidin/ monolaurin on a lower dose because it is costly. https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/ask-the-doctor/herpes/ ... "Regarding the natural treatment of herpes infection, we can take advantage of the characteristics of the virus to impact its tendency to erupt. Since the virus is essentially a piece of DNA surrounded by a fatty layer, if we target this aspect we can largely “disable” the virus. Luckily, we have two substances which are known to target this tendency of the virus. First, the herb Hypericum perforatum, commonly known as St. John’s wort, contains a chemical called hypericin. It is hypericin that gives the red color to the oil glands in the leaves, and it is hypericin that selectively targets the lipid capsule of viruses. For centuries, physicians have valued St. John’s wort as a nervine, meaning a medicine that targets the nervous system. Thus practitioners have traditionally used St. John’s wort to treat depression and toothache. Remember that the nervous system consists largely of cells with fatty coatings, similar to the encapsulated viruses. The plant in its wisdom contains the active chemical hypericin in an oily base, and because oil only dissolves in oil, it penetrates the oily tissues of the body, that is, the nerve cells, where hypericin then dissolves the lipid coating of the virus. (wow, heavy claim) I generally prefer Mediherb herbal products because of their potency. The dose is two tablets twice per day, even for the very long term. I did not get that exact brand. The second characteristic takes advantage of the virus-disabling effect of lauric acid, the 12-carbon fatty acid found in breast milk fat and in coconut oil. Thanks to the work of Mary Enig, readers of this journal are familiar with the anti-microbial benefits of lauric acid and other short- and medium-chain fatty acids found in coconut oil. During digestion, the body breaks triglycerides (three fatty acids joined to a glycerol molecule) into di-glycerides (two fatty acids joined to a glycerol molecule), monoglycerides (one fatty acid joined to a glycerol molecule) and free fatty acids. It is the monoglycerol of lauric acid, called monolaurin, that has the strongest anti-microbial effects. For years, I counseled my herpes patients to eat as much coconut oil, as they could stomach. However, in the past year, I discovered a product called Lauricidin, which is a concentrate or pure form of monolaurin. One dose of Brand name -Lauricidin is the equivalent of taking many tablespoons of coconut oil per day, a practice most people find intolerable. I have been consistently impressed with the ability of Lauricidin to suppress herpes outbreaks, not to mention yeast problems like candida (monolaurin is also a potent anti-fungal agent), and allow people to get off their antiviral drugs. It is a safe extract, which can be taken long term. The usual dose to suppress the herpes is about 1/2 to 1 scoop, one to three times per day. It should be swallowed, not chewed, and always taken with some food. The dose should be increased slowly as tolerated and as gauged by its effectiveness. In addition, we must pay attention to the overall microbial content of our bodies, as we know that good bacteria actually synthesize antiviral substances. For most, this will mean following a nourishing traditional diet containing a variety of lacto-fermented foods; for others, a temporary GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) diet may be needed. The fermented cod liver oil is important at the dose of at least one-half teaspoon per day. With this regimen, most of my patients have been able to avoid both the conventional antiviral drugs and the painful symptoms of genital herpes..." ... 4. Reducing inflammation with turmeric/ curcumin and delivering oxygen to the system since HSV is anaerobic (without oxygen) Just like cancer. I like Fulvic acid; MSM and MMS, the two are very different- please follow the directions to the T and don't use with antioxidants or they will not work unless you take them apart!! don't use all these together. They have some of the same actions. 5. Sleep 8 hours in a dark room or mask the eyes so you able to manufacture melatonin and put the stress hormone to sleep while you sleep with Phosphatidylserine especially if you grind your teeth or can't sleep. 6. reduce stress by exercising (but not overdoing it) ...you fill in the blank. I use fluoxetine for sugar cravings and anxiety. 5 and 6 should really be 1. and 2. because nothing kills immunity like stress, sugar, and lack of sleep!!! thank you Cracked. 7. L-arginine L- lysine balance in foods. If you eat/drink foods high in arginine, take some lysine! ETA: I am experimenting with BHT butylated hydroxytoluene loved the book and reviews! ( don't take high levels) Unfortunately, I have family members who have had cancer and I really have a lot of work to do until I get in the habit. I can't just do a few things and get away with it! I don't know if I can do it all, but I really love the results that FeelingNormalAgain has and I also want a functional cure! Cancer victims work very hard on their protocol and I unfortunately need more effort in mine! If you actually got this far you are tenacious! I am going to a natural practitioner and they will be evaluating my blood under a microscope to look for inflammation, and how active my T cells are which will give them a picture of my immunity. There is one thing for sure, I can take all the lipid dissolving BHT St John's wort or monolaurin I want, but if my T-cells are not active enough to kill the HSV2 I will get outbreaks! Please feel free to add any links or tips! Many substances have the same actions and are just as good! They will also be evaluating my stress levels via inflammation (it looks like little hairs under a microscope.) I trust Dr. Axe, Dr. Mercola, and doctors in the Holtorf organization.
  8. ManagingIllness

    Reality of New Vaccines

    I want this to be a real, straight up, informative dialogue about the timeline of new vaccine's and what their impact will be on the lives of those with HSV. I will try my best to impart my knowledge of the process and the current state of affairs. Please correct me where I am wrong, and present further developments. I want people who are newly infected to read this forum and get a thorough understanding of the state of upcoming therapies for HSV, specifically therapeutic vaccines. Firstly, please read this page in full: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_research. It covers all the current developments in an easy to understand way. If you're interested in this topic, it's a MUST READ. Secondly, if you found this useful/informative, please up-vote, share in other discussions, and reply! Clinical study terminology and timelines Animal studies: Can this therapy provide some benefit to animals while not being toxic to them? Spend several years conducting these studies just to get the interest of academic comities that provide grants, and big pharma. If successful, proceed. Phase I studies: The therapy proved well-tolerated in animals and provided some notable benefit. Let's test if ~20 people can safely tolerate this therapy, and document any results, with a specific focus on adverse side-effects as opposed to medical benefit. Phase IIa studies: The phase 1 study implied that the vaccine is well-tolerated in humans and provides some notable – and profitable - benefit. Let's get a pool of ~100 to ~200 people, give some of them fake injections (placebos) and others various amounts of the injection. Goal: reaffirm that the vaccine is safe, and try to find an optimal dosing for further studies. Spend over a year conducting the study and a year collecting results after. Phase IIb studies: We have invested years and millions into studies already. Let’s take ~300 to ~600 people and inject them with the two most promising injection routines from Phase IIa. Goal: reaffirm safety (once again!), and find the optimal dosing routine to take into Phase III trials. Goal: get investors super excited about the results of our optimal dosing strategy in order to secure funds for the upcoming, massive phase III trials. Spend over a year conducting the study and a year collecting results after. Phase III: Conduct a massive, multi-city, and sometimes multi-continental, study involving > 1000 participants. Test on different population groups (e.g. different ethnicity) to ensure the therapy is effective in the widest range or recipients. Spend over a year conducting the study and a year collecting results after. Final phase: Request acceptance from regulatory body (e.g. FDA) Timeline from animal studies to your doctor’s office: over 10 years! Basic mechanisms of action All therapeutic vaccines currently in the work simply bolster your immune system. That’s it. They attempt to continually present foreign viral markers – known as antigens – to your body. The desired result is immune system stimulation such that your body is constantly prioritizing those antigens for production of cells that can target, kill, and deactivate other cells presenting those antigens. The analogy would be like providing night vision to your immune system. The effect is that it will never lose track of the HSV virus, and will squelch it during any replication, before symptoms can develop. None of these will “cure” HSV, as the virus a) remains undetectable to the immune system while latent, and b) never uniformly comes out of latency all at the same time. The current state of affairs We are unlikely to see any new therapies for HSV within the next few years. The soonest is likely ~2021. It's likely that the newest therapy will be a vaccine that will cut the rates of outbreaks by about 80%, and shedding (your ability to pass on the virus even without symptoms) by 50-60%. There are two vaccines that promise to do this, so even if one is discontinued, we'll likely have 1 proceed to production: Genocea's GEN-003 & Admedus' HSV 2 vaccine. Both of these vaccines recently finished Phase II studies. GEN-003 is currently done Phase IIb studies, and is preparing for commencement of Phase III. Overall these are great developments, and we’re much farther along than we were 10 year sago. Theravax Although I am a huge fan of using live-attenuated viruses, the current uninformed & ignorant political/cultural view about the dangers of live vaccines is a huge impediment to any live-attenuated virus vaccine. Two very real incidences in the USA caused great concern over the safety of live vaccines. Follow this link and read "2. Historical Events" for details: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/ Today’s live-attenuated vaccines are genetically & intelligently modified through modern advances in biotechnology (you know, the kind of advances you’d expect to have been made between the 1950s-1970s and 2017). Computers & the internet are pretty nifty technological advances for instance. Gene editing technology is also a pretty dope advancement, as is the ability to sequence genomes. Yet, despite the tremendous aforementioned leaps in scientific knowledge, live-attenuated vaccines are still seen as sub-optimal therapies – and perhaps more importantly as sub-optimal monetary investments. (Interestingly, they have been deployed successfully and safely for the chicken pox and shingles, which are within the herpes family of viruses.) What does this all mean? It means that live-attenuated viruses have a good chance of providing an effective therapy for HSV suffers, (some event talk of a “functional cure”) but there has been very little progress, as no HSV live-attenuated vaccine is advanced passed Phase I trials at present. Your doctor won’t have one of these on hand for at least 5 years. Unfortunately, when it comes to public deployment of live-attenuated viruses, think ~2025, if at all. What this means for you - for us You can Google “herpes vaccine” everyday the next few years, and all you’ll learn about is incremental progress on the aforementioned therapies. Checking in every 3 months is sound, but more frequently than that will do you no good. This process is slow, thorny, and unwieldly. Be excited when Phase III studies commence, and follow them when they conclude. Just know that we are years away from a notable advancement that will be available at your local doctor’s office with partial coverage from your health insurance (e.g., Gardasil) Optimistic, unproven aside No matter the efficacy of therapeutic vaccines, if they are approved by regulators it will be because they are first-and-foremost safe. I imagine that they can then be used off-label by discordant couples. In other words, HSV-negative partners can take the vaccine to possible reduce their risk, so if both partners take it, it's absolutely possible that the risk of spreading the virus will be further lowered. Please understand that there is no evidence for this last possibility. However, from my understanding of how these vaccines work - invoking the immune system to have a response to HSV for at least 2 years - I think it to be highly likely that off-label use will be, well, useful. At it's worse, such use of the therapeutic vaccine's will limit the severity and extensiveness of a partner's initial outbreak.
  9. https://www.archyworldys.com/in-russia-developed-a-dna-vaccine-for-herpes/
  10. https://www.change.org/p/give-rational-vaccines-a-moment-to-speak-to-congress-about-the-burden-of-herpetic-disease?recruiter=659087102&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_petition
  11. https://www.change.org/p/give-rational-vaccines-a-moment-to-speak-to-congress-about-the-burden-of-herpetic-disease?recruiter=659087102&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_petition
  12. Piyush


    Who else have had a hope that our scientist ll bring the cure within 7-10 yrs from now..!!!!
  13. The cold stark reality, I hate to say, is there will likely never be a full “cure” in our life times or beyond for sure. It impossible to remove from the body, it is in your nerve cross scattered about. you can’t fix a shattered glass. The best infected people can ever hope for is a treatment that fully stops viral activity and replication in an already infected body. A preventative vaccine for all 8 herpes viruses may come about in the next 50 years and then the global populace will, for the most part, be free of herpes and no hell for people (too bad that wasn’t already a reality). in the mean time I believe education the public about herpes is key, just like AIDS. It just doesn’t get the attention it should do people have no clue. Just reading the forums online about how much suffering it causes should be enough to show people need to get educated. People are generally clueless until they get infected. Also, the fact that it is not on the standard STI panel is a disgrace. Most doctors do not seem fully educated about herpes.
  14. This is why we can't have nice things/cures, because of greed read this: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
  15. How close are we to get atleast potential cure?! I know this question has been asked multiple times but still curious mind would love to hear from you all.
  16. Hey everyone I just wanted to know your views on whether the complacency of the herpes community and its inability to mobilize is part of the reason why we have slowed progress on the cure front? Has the “skin disease” moniker actually lulled us into complacency and prevented us from asking for better drugs? or did the science just never catch up?
  17. Piyush

    Fed up..!!!

    can anyone explain me, what is stopping our scientist to find a cure soon...!!!
  18. If you haven't seen the video yet, check it out. Let me preface this by saying this team of bio-hackers leaves MUCH to be desired in terms of presentation. But, who cares about presentation if they get the science right? Or, maybe they get the science wrong, but in their efforts they discover something that leads to an eventual vaccine or cure? The FDA in it's efforts to protect the population slows all efforts to a crawl. Any vaccine or cure would be more than a decade away realistically when you consider the cumbersome and EXPENSIVE process of taking clinical trials through Phase III. Let's face the reality of the situation: Very few people that could use their knowledge to find a cure for herpes care about finding a cure for herpes. Very few companies are doing real research about curing herpes. Of the companies doing research we don't have access to their progress, funding, findings, or anything else. My body, my choice. The CEO of this company has taken matters into his own hands. He believes in his research enough to put himself at risk. For that, he is a hero and a pioneer, regardless of the outcome. He has chosen to take the risk with his body, and that's his choice. In the name of science and progress, he has put himself at risk. We are stuck in an endless cycle of no money, no research. No research, no money. Nobody cares about Herpes because it's not life-threatening. People live their whole lives and die with this virus and see nothing change. So it's abundantly clear we should appreciate anything we can get. And this company and companies like this are precisely our best option to find a cure or vaccine quickly. We need people to go rogue and try to solve this problem because doing so within the system is a recipe for failure. Here in this video you see there is a panel of fairly knowledgeable researchers, who have access to a laboratory, and an understanding of the virus and it's potential vulnerabilities. Beyond that, they are willing to "put their money where their mouth is" and do this in front of a live audience. They have access to their own lab where they can run labs and PCRs before and after. We actually get to see a company being transparent and taking some risks. We get to see the test results and data. PCR swabs, blood tests, etc. If more companies did this, more cures would be found a higher rate. How many millions of diseases have mice been cured of? Ultimately it doesn't matter if it doesn't work in humans. If a researcher is willing to put his own life on the line because he believes in what he's trying do, I whole-heartedly support the cause. And if you want a cure in your lifetime, you should too. We can only hope there are more people like him.
  19. We all know and have followed the downward spiral of RVX over the past year or so, and now they are nowhere to be seen or heard. Thiel seems like a very smart guy and I'm guessing he wouldn't have parted with a few million very easily. Do we think he is just cutting his losses, or staying quiet while they actually work on something? If he really invested $5 million I would have to think he's doing his damnedest to get it back.
  20. Looks like new STEM CELL Research is paving ways to cure all viruses, I know this is a long ways off and if it is used on humans it will be used on people with the most severe disease. As most of you should know, there will be no cure for herpes in more than 20 years, even if they found the cure today as otehr more serious diseases take priority and the drug and/or procedure must be safe, therefore it is tested on very sick people. and herpes is very low on the list. Check out this reading below: https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-doctors-revolutionary-stem-cell-treatments-could-eradicate-hiv
  21. Hey, Does anyone have any additional information about Vical's VCL-HB01 HSV-2 Therapeutic Vaccine? I haven't seen that much about it on here, but highly possible I just missed it. They are in Phase 2 trials, which seems to be further along than anyone else searching for a cure. Is this a cure? or does it just reduce outbreaks? Here is a link to their Q3 press release: https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/10/23/1151411/0/en/Vical-Reports-Third-Quarter-2017-Financial-and-Operational-Results.html Would love some good news!
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  23. What do think will end up being a workable cure for those already infected with HSV-1 and HSV-2? 1. CRISPR/Cas9 2. CRISPR method discovered by Salk team with no cutting. Thus would likely put the HSV virus into a permanent latent state. 3. HCV virus peptide. This may be Abe to remove the virus without harming the cell (?). 4. One of the few vaccines in the works. 5. Vaccine from HHMI using a mutant HSV virus with gD deleted. No news for 2 years but apparently they are working on it. What’s going on? 5. Forcing the virus to stay awake and detectable by the immune system so it can fight it off. 6. Forcing it stay latent so it cannot shed/replicate. 7. Some as of yet unknown entity working on a cure.
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