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notamused

seriously - why the FUCK has nobody yet designed a condom that simply provides extended protection to cover the base of the penis/the labia a little further than a regular condom?

i've heard a few people considering using a dental dam with hole cut in it and then deciding no cos that would just be humiliating. yes it would. and perhaps the idea of a condom with a little skirt on it would seem a little funny at first but if you think about a condom in the first place its a little funny, however we've got used to them because their use is necessary to protect against pregnancy and MOST stds. we now know that there are other risks - hsv and hpv - which cannot always be protected against with a condom. and the reason for this lies solely in the fact that it doesn't quite put a barrier between ALL skin-to-skin contact?! and it could, it really could, with a simple redesign. surely i'm not the only who thinks this is ridiculous?!

RIDICULOUS that this thing you are going to put on ANYWAY may not protect you for the sake of a few uncovered milimetres.

and if it did, genital-to-genital transmission would no longer be an issue!

people who already have herpes could sleep easy knowing that transmission is not just reduced but almost impossible.

as for people who don't have herpes need a decent education about how this can be transmitted, as i sure as hell didn't have, and then i'm pretty sure such a condom ALONGSIDE A DECENT EDUCATION ABOUT HOW EASY IT IS TO GET THIS (as I sure as hell didnt have) could quickly become normalised and widely adopted.

as i said before, a condom is a ridiculous-enough of an object, which is accepted because it keeps people safe. and so i'm sure it would endure becoming a little more silly-looking in the name of safety.

who's with me?!

i dont know much about patents but perhaps i could get one...or start writing to durex....could make it a campaign...get everyone to write...

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anna99

Interesting post...

As for people who don't have herpes need a decent education about how this can be transmitted, as i sure as hell didn't have, and then i'm pretty sure such a condom ALONGSIDE A DECENT EDUCATION ABOUT HOW EASY IT IS TO GET THIS (as I sure as hell didnt have) could quickly become normalised and widely adopted.

i dont know much about patents but perhaps i could get one...or start writing to durex....could make it a campaign...get everyone to write...

Interesting post, i had not thought about condom design before but what you are suggesting makes a lot of sense. I also agree with you about better education about transmission...I'm wishin' I'da had me some of that about now, too ;)

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notamused

there are some adverts on british tv at the moment about stds, 'you never know who's gonna give you one' so wear a condom, is roughly the strapline.

but no mention of the fact that herpes and hpv are not protected against by condoms. add to this the fact that a 'full std test' does not even include a test for herpes and no wonder we have an epidemic on our hands.

so i looked at the patents website and several people have already had this idea. the question is then, why have none been produced yet?!

i suggest we start to campaign for the production of these condoms, which could save everyone a whoooole lot of worry and heartache.

i'm thinking, i'll get the addresses of the major condom companies (durex, mates, trojan, any others?) and publish them on a new thread, and everyone can start writing (or maybe emailing) their concerns as herpes sufferers/why this would be a great idea for them to start producing.

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Ultra Violet

Perhaps this is because condoms don't protect against HSV at all?

My doctor tells me she used to work with a virologist in the early 80s who told her that the HSV viruses are small enough to permeate the latex in a condom and therefore don't offer full protection against herpes. She said this was before the huge increase in the use and marketing of condoms due to HIV.

I'm curious as to whether what she was told is true? If so, changing the design of the condom won't help at all.

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notamused

nah i googled it and apparently studies have been done that show hsv cannot get through latex condoms.

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NeedToKnow

Someone else on here had mentioned something like this a while ago.

It would be great, but it seems like most cases are not from getting it when wearing condoms. Seems like a lot of people here got it from unprotected sex, and a lot of times when they trusted that someone didn't have it.

But of course it would be good for people that have it with partners that are negative.

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Dexsmom

Im sorry Im still giggling about the condom with a skirt line...hehehe. But yes I agree with figuring out a new design. Does anyone think if the guy wore boxers and a condom that would be safe? but i guess he'd have to wash the boxers after...ewww.

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notamused

"Laboratory studies have shown that the herpes virus does not pass through latex condoms" - http://www.herpes.com/Precautions.shtml

nobody should have to be wearing boxers, that's a ridiculous idea and to even suggest it demonstrates that you are not taking this issue seriously!

because what i'm trying to say is not that 'we herpes sufferers' need a new condom for our forcedly 'abnormal' sex practices but that EVERYONE, INFECTED OR NOT needs a new condom.

i'm sure i said this in my original post but think about a condom - that must have seemed/looked ridiculous itself when it was first invented, but everyone accepts its use because to not use one is widely recognised as not being safe.

now we find ourselves in a situation where because condoms don't protect against all stds, THEY are not safe, and so something that is safe should replace them and become the norm as they have. the only thing that would prevent this is the lack of education and yadda yadda now i'm just repeating myself.

as for claiming that in most cases transmission occurs without a condom, well i dont know how statistically true or untrue that is but i can tell you i 100% never had inprotected sex and i still got it. having said that i don't know whether i got it from oral sex or what, but regardless of that the location of the areas i now get symptoms would definitely not be covered by a condom so i know i could pass it on. and seeing as the contact between these areas and a man'd penis is not somehow important or necessary for sexual connection or pleasure, it seems ridiculous that they aren't simply covered.

its just absolutely stupid.

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Dexsmom

Im not sure why you think its a ridiculous idea for the guy to wear boxers. And excuse me but I do take this issue seriously. The guy I am seeing will not have sex with me because I am HSV positive because he is terrified to get this.

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chooseyourbattles

I wouldn't mind if he wore boxers. It's a little demeaning, but it would keep him 100% safe.

Actually, I don't know why more people don't think of that.

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anxious32

Omg!!!!

I was thinking the same exact thing, considering that i contracted HSV from this guy and he used a condom.

WHY HASNT ANYBODY DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS????

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almapura

You read my mind,unamused....

lasr nite I just complaining about it!!! why in hell nobody make a condom protecting the all risking area!!!! Im just found that Im herpes2 positve and I just dont know what in hell going to do with my sexual necesities!!!!! I been having wet dreams for crying aloud!!!!and I tougth those were gone with age!!!! I wish I can make a big condom just for me!!! thats is the sexual fantasy in my mind lately....yeah...a shorth plastic pants....

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almapura

sorry notamused

I write ur name wrong before....having spelling probleams.....:rolleyes:

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notamused

yeah i know. well, loads of people have though of it, there dozens of similar idea on the patents list. so why have none of them been produced? i have no idea. it seems silly because it would make little difference to the experience of sex with a condom. if you're going to wear something anyway it may as well be 100% safe.

it would also be alot quicker of a solution than waiting years for clinical trials!

i am still planning on writing this letter to durex and applying pressure but i am far too busy for the next week..

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almapura

theory about indifference ....

I strongly think that unfortunatly we are victims of the big medicine business in this country,.....the other day I pay 150.00 for doctor consultation,and just got to talk for 5min with him not even getting answers,he just look at my test results and tell me that if I want him to inspect my genitals will be 80.00 more, i refuse couse I didnt got the money and I couldn trust this person,so I thought since my ob was just slightly annoyed,I just walk away thinking that maybe I could do some home remedy using herbs....:( I just went back home feeling down couse I thought that will be worthwhile to spend 150.00 if I just could get a prescripcion to get me some relief to my suffering,I just needed a prescription!!!! Anyway...My theory is that this virus is generating millions of $ .....if they give us the solution to stop transmitting...then its not more business!!! Im thinking that maybe I going to have to go to TJ to see a doc there,couse I now in the other side is easyer to get help......

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almapura

Im w/u Notamused......

I hope u really get the time to do the "condom projet".....like I said...I need some....:(......

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notamused

so did you get the prescription at all in the end?

i can't believe that, it makes me so angry, i live in england so i dont really know much about your healcare system, but it seems to really f**k people over...

you probably have a point that companies are making money off us, but i think condom companies are slightly different to drug companies in that they advocate 'safe sex' and thats how they marke their product, as providing that. if somehow we could spread the word that condoms *do not* protect against all STDs (which the advertising campaigns totally neglect to mention) maybe people would start asking for more.

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metropolitan

This would definitely help some people, but not others like myself, for whom a condom does not cover ANY of the ob area

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notamused

metropolitan - the idea is to extend the coverage of a condom so that it covers all the exposed area... unless your ob is somewhere else entirely?

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almapura

Hey there Notamused.....

:(No,I didnt get any help from the doctor,but I been take caring myself with herbs like lemon balm,echinacea,and some others also been watching my diet very carefully,u know,cero grains and sweets,lots of vegetables and fruits, and Im feeling normal for now:),Im feeling strong again and tomorrow I going back to work!!!! Lets to not stop looking for solutions,I dont know what I can do but lets not stop hoping for a better sexual life for the HSV community,thanks for replying to my posts even u can see English lenguage its not my cup of tea:( couse Im a latin girl,but honestly this forum makes me feel very good so I just going to keep writing even so my limited English language skills:(.....I wish somebody there w/writing skills could send a letter to Oprah[very popular and educative tv show in USA],to see if she could help with the need for a condom to protect against the HSV2....

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Sophie D.
:(No,I didnt get any help from the doctor,but I been take caring myself with herbs like lemon balm,echinacea,and some others also been watching my diet very carefully,u know,cero grains and sweets,lots of vegetables and fruits, and Im feeling normal for now:),Im feeling strong again and tomorrow I going back to work!!!! Lets to not stop looking for solutions,I dont know what I can do but lets not stop hoping for a better sexual life for the HSV community,thanks for replying to my posts even u can see English lenguage its not my cup of tea:( couse Im a latin girl,but honestly this forum makes me feel very good so I just going to keep writing even so my limited English language skills:(.....I wish somebody there w/writing skills could send a letter to Oprah[very popular and educative tv show in USA],to see if she could help with the need for a condom to protect against the HSV2....

Almapura, try Planned parenthood. They will give you a prescription and they have a sliding scale. Meaning that how much you pay depends on how much you make.

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Sophie D.

Be fully educated first...

seriously - why the FUCK has nobody yet designed a condom that simply provides extended protection to cover the base of the penis/the labia a little further than a regular condom?

Because that would not be enough coverage.

To get the kind of protection that you want, a condom would have to like a pair of shorts with a condom on the front.

Having "genital" herpes means that you can be contagious anywhere in the shorts region. Some people get outbreaks on the top of the butt or low back. It does not necessarily matter where you caught it, outbreaks and viral shedding can happen anywhere in this region

i've heard a few people considering using a dental dam with hole cut in it and then deciding no cos that would just be humiliating. yes it would. and perhaps the idea of a condom with a little skirt on it would seem a little funny at first but if you think about a condom in the first place its a little funny, however we've got used to them because their use is necessary to protect against pregnancy and MOST stds.

If you think a condom with a skirt is funny and a dental dam is humiliating, what do you think of a condom with a pair of shorts attached?

No, we have not really gotten used to them because a lot of people still do not regularly use them. Look on this board on how many people do not always use protection. Good luck getting people to put on a pair of rubber shorts, let alone even getting them to regularly use a condom.

we now know that there are other risks - hsv and hpv - which cannot always be protected against with a condom. and the reason for this lies solely in the fact that it doesn't quite put a barrier between ALL skin-to-skin contact?! and it could, it really could, with a simple redesign. surely i'm not the only who thinks this is ridiculous?!

RIDICULOUS that this thing you are going to put on ANYWAY may not protect you for the sake of a few uncovered milimetres.

and if it did, genital-to-genital transmission would no longer be an issue!

Not true, not millimeters.

people who already have herpes could sleep easy knowing that transmission is not just reduced but almost impossible.

as for people who don't have herpes need a decent education about how this can be transmitted, as i sure as hell didn't have, and then i'm pretty sure such a condom ALONGSIDE A DECENT EDUCATION ABOUT HOW EASY IT IS TO GET THIS (as I sure as hell didnt have) could quickly become normalised and widely adopted.

Not trying to be mean, but you still do not have complete education on how EASY IT IS TO GET THIS.

No one else who has posted in this thread is fully educated either.

It is difficult to get on people who do not even have HSV to be educated when even those that have it aren't.

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notamused

Ok, I take on board everything you say...

but I'm still a bit confused about the 'shorts area' thing - I didn't think herpes could spread from unbroken skin to unbroken skin... at least if it can it must happen very rarely, else literally everyone would have it, surely?

How can we know it sheds from the boxer shorts region when most people who have rubbed that area up against eachother have been having sex at the same time, if you see what I mean - has anyone on here actually caught herpes from touching thighs and not actually having intercourse? that is a genuine question to the whole board - I'm trying to educate myself like you suggested - this is a very confusing situation.

however the way I figure it at the moment, at my present level of education, is that even if herpes can shed from the boxer short reason it seems alot more likely that the 'uncovered by condom' area would be responsible for more cases of transmission, and so a condom with a 'skirt' or whatever would surely decrease the chances greatly even if it wouldn't elimitate it completely...

I always used condoms and i managed to get it but seeing as my ex had no idea he had it I'm guessing he doesn't know where he has it there's no way of knowing it wasn't from oral.

just throwing ideas out here please don't jump on me (and by the way I don't think a condom with a skirt is funny, that was the whole point).

apologies for my apparent lack of education, but I still think there is something in the idea.

Then again antiviral gel would be better anyway and is already in the pipeline so i guess its pointless speculating about condoms in the first place.

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