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Can you get HSV-1 from HSV-2?

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KitchenCook

I have been reading a lot of stuff that says you can easily get HSV-2 (genital herpes) by having oral sex with someone who has HSV-1 (oral herpes), but does anyone know if you can get it the other way around? Can someone can get herpes on their mouth from having oral sex with someone who has genital herpes? I just found out I have genital herpes 3 days ago, and my partner is really into giving oral sex. I'm not sure he would stick around if he couldn't do that anymore. Advice??

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justmyself

What type do you have? HSV2 is harder, but not impossible, to get orally. Your partner should get tested. He may already have the same type as you anyway.

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KitchenCook

I have genital herpes. I'm wondering if someone can get herpes on their mouth if they have oral sex with me?

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KitchenCook

OK, I've been reading a bit more and now I'm even more confused. I thought HSV-1 was herpes on the mouth, and HSV-2 was genital herpes, but then I saw somewhere that 1 and 2 are just the severity of the virus and you can have either one in both places. Can someone PLEASE clear this up??? I don't know the difference.

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justmyself

Which type of genital herpes? You can get either type genitally. Most people get type 1 genitally from receiving oral sex from people who have type 1 orally.

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KitchenCook
Which type of genital herpes? You can get either type genitally. Most people get type 1 genitally from receiving oral sex from people who have type 1 orally.

I understand that, my question is can someone get it orally from having oral sex with someone who has it genitally??

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justmyself

And as I said, it depends on what type you have. It is LESS likely, but not impossible to give someone HSV2 orally if you have it genitally. However, if you have HSV1 genitally, they are MORE likely to get it orally. But keep in mind that about 80% of the population has HSV1 orally anyway.

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KitchenCook

Ok, thanks for your thoughts. I guess I still have some unanswered questions I need to ask my doctor.

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justmyself

Oh, and the doctor told me that antivirals taken by either person helps reduce the chances of spreading it from genitals to mouth. Both my boyfriend and I have had HSV2 genitally for about 2 months. He is on antivirals and I am not. He also loves giving oral sex and doesn't let herpes stop him. I was afraid at first of spreading it to him orally and wouldn't let him give oral sex, but now I don't worry much about it. He knows its a risk and figures the benefits outweigh the risk. Bonus for me! :D

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KitchenCook

LOL I wish the guy I'm seeing felt the same way. Unfortunately, I'm not QUITE dating him yet. We dated a little over a year ago and it ended b/c we got too serious too fast. We started hanging out again a couple months ago and I was hoping to take it slow and make it work this time.....then I got the news about H 3 days ago. We haven't slept together yet (this time) but we were planning on it soon. I pretended like I was asking for a friend, and asked him if he would ever sleep w/ someone if he knew they had herpes, but had it controlled with medication. His first response was "no way!" Then he said maybe with a condom, but he can't get off when using a condom so the sex is then pointless for him. So now I'm left wondering what to do about him and this whole situation. If I tell him I'm sure I will lose him, but if I don't tell him I could lose him when he does find out later. I really don't know what to do. Additionally, I feel like I need to tell him because we did have sex when we dated last year.

I feel like my whole world has been flipped upside down.

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justmyself

He really needs to know so he can go get tested. He may already have it since you didn't know you had it all the time you were together before. He can't be mad at you for not telling him before when you didn't know, but he could be mad if you sleep together again and don't tell him. Too many people on this website got this from someone who had it and didn't tell. We have a moral obligation to disclose it now that we know we have it. If he can't accept you and the virus, you will have to find someone who does. Or you can try dating from the H+ dating websites, positivesingles and mpwh.net are two of the more popular ones.

I'm very sorry for your situation. It must be extremely difficult!

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Butterfly of the Moment

herpes type 1 and herpes type 2 are two different strains of the herpes virus. Having one does not protect you from getting another strain. Although type 1 is generally associated with oral herpes, and type 2 is generally associated with genital herpes, they can both be found orally or genitally. If you only have type 1 herpes orally you can't give your boyfriend type 2. You can give him type 1 oral or type 1 genital. I had type 1 oral years before I got type 2 genital.

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