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Confused with Questions: 8 years later...more outbreak symptoms, less warning

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This is very long, in depth (very personal - dont read on if you are uncomfy!) and in need of opinions or answers..

Confused with Questions:

8 years later...more outbreak symptoms, less warning..

Its been 8 years since I've contracted herpes. Once I have health insurance back again, I will be visiting some herpes specialists in NYC...but would love your thoughts now.

Moving on!!

My questions and concerns are those that maybe some of you will have knowledge of?

1.) I have always been able to tell when an outbreak was happening. The telltale "tingle", I get tired...and pop a valtrex at the beginning and usually the outbreak is controlled. Now - this has all changed...since Jan, I've had approx. 6 outbreaks...only lasting a few days, except one that came..and left a SCAR because I had no medicine...it lasted for much longer than usual..a week. AS IF it were my first outbreak!

2.) I've heard that over the years, "You get less outbreaks" and honestly when I acutally come to read this site...I am far more nervous of my hsv than I usually am. If its true you get less outbreaks...what is with my body, my immune system? In the 8 years I have never taken daily suppression...this is the first time out of any of my partners I passed it along. I felt so terrible, that my heart sank. I am very safe and I wasn't even aware of a tingle...although this partner was very informed of my herpes and accepted it as graciously as anyone ever could I imagine.

3.) I masturbate, often... ;) well I do! lol and I've sometimes forgotten to wash my hands directly after (i usually do) sometimes I fall asleep without washing...I wonder why or is it my strain that I've never gotten herpes on my hand/fingers/thighs? or face...I brush my hair out of my face a lot. NOW I do usually wash ok! :) Esp with partners...its an avid duty!

4.) I dated someone who happened to have herpes (we found out later) and we discussed oral and anal and vaginal sex. I like to receive oral, not recently during these confusing herpe times...but I do, I also enjoy giving it...this is a similar question to #3...why havent I contracted it in my mouth? Or throat? or maybe I have? are there tests for it?

5.) I usually have more discharge...(tmi sorry) during an OB...but lately its been a different smell as well, not bad but different!

6.) Will I get the other symtoms eventually? the leg pain..other nerve issues? It seems that the disease/strain can grow or advance?

So...I guess to sum up...I am confused with my immune system, my random outbreaks...my unability to contract it elsewhere...wondering why now, at 24, 2010, my body is changing I know but I am unsure of how to handle it. Everything was so predicable before. I do not have health insurance, but perhaps it is time to start valtrex daily? I am currently on an OB (it appeared within 20 hours after high stress levels at court), this is day 2, USUALLY I'd take 1000mg valtrex Day 1 (yeterday) and today (day 2) and it'd be gone. But again I don't think its going to work this time. I think or I FEEL its going to last into Day 3, saturday that it will be clear.


Please try not to frighten me as much. I contracted during unwanted sexual experience at 16yrs old and have had to start my sexual adult life with this...but I watched my body very closely as I was a teenager to determine what my triggers are and etc.

Thanks guys, so much. Keep smiling and Rock n roll!:thrasher:


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the stress you are under is maybe causing it to flair up more, and/or maybe your hormones are flexuating more right now, its common to get bacterial vaginitus with herpes go to the dr, to see if thats whats causing the smell.

which type do you have? type 1 or 2?, is it possible you caught a different strain of herpes?though harder to do if you already have it but it is possible..your may just be run down right now... try to relax and take your suppressives try switching to acyclivor its cheaper than valtrex.

for women our bodies are constantly changing,,and so will the virus , have you had a complete physical? maybe something is going on...sometimes herpes can be a radar for us of something else going on in our body that were not aware of yet.

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Are you sure they are herpes out breaks? I recently went through a time when I was concerned I was having an outbreak. It would have been my first in 24 years. It turned out to be an allergic reaction to a detergent change.

I also remember reading someone who thought that her outbreaks had changed and talked about her discharge and it was a yeast infection.

I know you don't have health benefits, but if you can get a medical opinion it might be a good idea.

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