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To preface, I've read almost all of the topics on the right column of the forums and have found them very informative.

On November 28th, I made out with a girl for like 30 seconds. About a week later on December 6th, we made out some more and she gave me oral. The oral in question was half blowjob and half handjob, lasting about 20 minutes. She tells me after that she has herpes (I later learn type 1 and 2, I'm guessing both in both spots) and has had it for 4 years. I drove home fast in a panic and told my mom who got me a doctor's appointment that same day. Just hours after my encounter with said girl, I had my blood drawn for an IgG test. 2 days later the results on HSV-1 and HSV-2 came back negative, with no IgM value given. I thought I was free and clear until about a week ago I noticed bumps under my penis head which I later learned are Pearly Penile Papules. Researching on the internet caused me to discover that the doctor had given me the blood test too early and my results could have been a false negative. I haven't experienced any noticeable symptoms yet as of today except for on Monday 1/3/2011 I found a tiny spot under the head of my penis about the size of the tip of a ballpoint pen that had dead skin on it. Habitually, I brushed the flakes away (took almost no effort to do so) and have had a tiny red spot there as of today, 1/7/2011. The red spot has not grown, it not raised and has never been raised. I think it may have faded some, but I am unsure. I had my mom look at it and she said it just looked like new skin.

I'm getting another blood test taken 1/12/2011 (which would put me at 5 weeks 3 days). My question that I mainly want help with is, does everyone figure since I haven't shown any blisters/swollen lymph nodes/rashing/itching that I'm clear this far away? I know from reading here (mostly RealistGal's posts, so helpful) that about 70% of herpes carriers don't know it and are asymptomatic. I've had two doctors (one I talked to yesterday on 1/6/2011, a family friend) tell me they'd risk their medical licenses that I don't have it along with stories from my Mom saying that one of her friends got married to a guy with genital herpes and had unprotected sex with him for a year trying to concieve and never caught it.

I'm sorry for the wall of text, I just want to be thorough. Can someone please tell me I'm going to be all right?

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Another question I have is about the itching and burning. Where does it mostly itch/burn? And what does it feel like? Is it persistant and sharp like a mosquito bite? Is the burning like accidentally getting cologne on your privates? I appreciate all input.

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hbrnghn.... well so far not real symptoms but in some cases the OB might be so insignificant people don't really notice it and that's why 70% of people that has it doesn't really know they have it. in your case I would actually wait even a bit longer to get the test done because if what you have is an OB it seems too mild to be giving your body something to fight, I tested negative twice after my first ob.

About the itch... well to me it seems like a mosquito bite you can't stop scratching.

On regards to what you want me to tell you, it doesn't matter if you test positive or not, you'll be ok, everything will be fine and this virus is not larger, bigger or meaner than any of us.

Good luck

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