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Oral Herpes and Genital Herpes Contracted at the Same Time?!?!?

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Really glad I found these forums, I'm really looking forward to some insight from others who have possibly shared my experience.

Well this week has been an emotional roller coaster to say the least. Earlier this week I found a lesion or whatever on my lip that was almost crystal clear to be herpes. It came exactly four days after giving oral sex to a girl. I immediately took action and got abreva, I'm not sure if that's what made it so mild, or if it was the fact that I just had a mild case, but it went away in four days. After talking with my family and doing a lot of research I realized that it really wasn't that bad and found out that with proper treatment herpes is very manageable. Also when people like your Grandma have cold sores, it makes it not seem so bad!

However now I'm thinking I might have Genital Herpes as well, and I'm not taking it very well to say the least. I was under the impression that you usually get one or the other at a time, is it possible I got both at the same time? I did not have sex with this girl, but she did give me oral sex, and we were both naked and there was likely some very minimal genital contact, though I made a strong effort to avoid this and think I did a good job. I assumed I got OH from giving her oral sex, but perhaps I got it from just kissing her, and then got GH from her giving me oral sex? There's no way to really know, and she is convinced she does not have herpes....

Anyways my symptoms include some mild redness on the left side of my penis. There MAY BE one small small lesion, but I think I have also gotten this from friction from masturbation before, so I'm not certain. It seems like too large of a coincidence to not be GH, but maybe? Is it possible I'm having a very mild GH outbreak 7 days after contact? Could stress have caused this rash, because interestingly enough I noticed the rash and the itch after thinking that maybe I have GH...I don't know, but I'm kind of crushed and looking for any insight. I'm praying to God I don't have GH, having GH and OH from one stupid night is so painful...

Some other strange side info, I started a juice detox two days after the contact, and heard juice could cause cold sores from all the acid, anyone else hear about this?

Another strange thing is I started getting OH symptoms about two days before having ANY GH symptoms, and the GH symptoms are very mild. Maybe paranoia led me to itching down there creating redness?

Anyways I have a doctors appointment scheduled for Friday, but I know I will suffer through this week if I don't find some info and support before then.

Also if the symptoms on my penis are so minimal, how will they know if I have GH? Since the test will be positive for OH, it seems this will be hard to diagnose. Any support, prayers, info, similar stories is greatly appreciated!

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Hi shape and welcome to this site. Abreva is a good topical treatment for cold sores so you did the right thing there and also by applying it early. It can be possible to contract both oral and genital herpes in the same episode. Did this girl appear to have any lesions on her genital area or around her mouth?

Many people would swear black and blue they do not have herpes but in some cases, the virus can lie dormant for years at a time. Also herpes is not included in standard screening for STD' which we all agree here..it bloody well should be!

Your symptoms 'can' be associated with genital herpes but I am not convinced that is what you are dealing with. Dry friction, stress and anxiety could be the cause but as you have also mentioned a rash..you could simply even just be dealing with an adverse reaction to a new washing powder or soap perhaps.

Not sure about this juice detox you have been on. I believe it is not good to have too much of anything in your diet. Everything in moderation as they say!

Once you get to your doctor's, see if you can have that lesion swabbed if it is still there. Otherwise you will only be able to have blood tests. If you do have herpes and have only recently been exposed, your bloods are likely to come back negative as there would be no antibodies that would show up in your blood as yet, therefore you will need to have further tests done at a later date.

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Thank you for your response, even a glimmer of good news is helpful at this time. I seem to spend every minute of every day worrying about if I have GH, I thought OH was bad when I first realized I had it, and now with the threat of GH, I have completely forgot about OH. I honestly don't know why I worry so much, I know it is pointless, but I can't help myself.

Anyways no I did not realize any lesions on the girl, I just emailed her yesterday making one final plea for her to offer me any insight she can. I made very clear to her that I was not blaming her, so we will see what happens. Though I guess I wont really have closure until I'm tested Friday.

I have been looking at pictures of herpes on the penis (though it's very unpleasant to look at). What I have does not look anything like it. However it just seems like way too big of a coincidence that I would have some minor pain in itching in my genitals/penis and redness, but it is something else? I have never had an adverse reaction to any soaps, I'm really worried here...

If no lesions form does that mean I'm in the clear, or does that just mean it is a mild case? Also how will the doctor test for it in that case?

Any words of help and comfort are appreciated. This has been very hard for me.

Thanks, Brad

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