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non stop guy

thanks for the imfo.seeing as it appears to be my only hope.I will keep digging

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Get real... Lighter wallet? Spend a lifetime on Valtrex. Whatever your co-pay is you'll run through 500 dollars in less than 5 years.

Next, this isn't a "new" medical breakthrough. Russia, Italy, et al have had herpes treatments for decades. Just because they don't pay hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it doesn't work (US clinical trial process). Also the word is "Corroborative" not "corrabitive".

> Get real... Lighter wallet? Spend a lifetime on Valtrex. Whatever your co-pay is you'll run through 500 dollars in less than 5 years.

I've never made an argument supporting Valtrex, nor have I ever mentioned that I take Valtrex daily, but I do appreciate your humorous attempt to attack a strawman (logical fallacy).

> Next, this isn't a "new" medical breakthrough. Russia, Italy, et al have had herpes treatments for decades. Just because they don't pay hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it doesn't work (US clinical trial process).

'Just because they don't pay hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it doesn't work (US clinical trial process).'

Again another logical fallacy, non sequitur. I wasn't even asking about how much each group (West - U.S.A vs. East - Russia) spends to get their drugs approved, I was asking what claims do these individuals have that their "drug" even works. Again, there isn't any supportive documents or literature that this "drug" has gone through the rigors of science-based medicine, clinical trials, or that their claims are demonstrably true. You say that the literature is out there; and there are two other individuals on this forum that tell me to contact these individuals directly, relying on (unreliable) anecdotal evidence alone. I'm sorry my friends, science doesn't work like that. Science-based medicine can be observed, demonstrable, and verifiable to all who test it. Just because the vaccine sounds plausible (again, science doesn't work like that), doesn't make it so. Please provide the evidence, which you have twice ignored, HelpIamConfused2.

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non stop guy

Your smart and I am not.your right and I am wrong.your good looking and I am....a guy with a mouth full of sores.if I can get my hands on the panavir supposatories for 200.00.that's a bad dice roll for a guy in my shoes.I won't bring this topic up again.unless it seems to work for me.what a happy new yr.that would be.

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> Get real... Lighter wallet? Spend a lifetime on Valtrex. Whatever your co-pay is you'll run through 500 dollars in less than 5 years.

I've never made an argument supporting Valtrex, nor have I ever mentioned that I take Valtrex daily, but I do appreciate your humorous attempt to attack a strawman (logical fallacy).

> Next, this isn't a "new" medical breakthrough. Russia, Italy, et al have had herpes treatments for decades. Just because they don't pay hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it doesn't work (US clinical trial process).

'Just because they don't pay hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean it doesn't work (US clinical trial process).'

Again another logical fallacy, non sequitur. I wasn't even asking about how much each group (West - U.S.A vs. East - Russia) spends to get their drugs approved, I was asking what claims do these individuals have that their "drug" even works. Again, there isn't any supportive documents or literature that this "drug" has gone through the rigors of science-based medicine, clinical trials, or that their claims are demonstrably true. You say that the literature is out there; and there are two other individuals on this forum that tell me to contact these individuals directly, relying on (unreliable) anecdotal evidence alone. I'm sorry my friends, science doesn't work like that. Science-based medicine can be observed, demonstrable, and verifiable to all who test it. Just because the vaccine sounds plausible (again, science doesn't work like that), doesn't make it so. Please provide the evidence, which you have twice ignored, HelpIamConfused2.

I am not attempting to attack a strawman or woman. I am simply stating the truth. You appeared to make it seem that one would go broke pursuing this vaccine. I merely pointed out it is not that expensive and when compared to a potential lifelong regimen of Valtrex it is cheap. End of this statement.

Logical fallacy - again get real. Logical fallacies are based upon faulty reasoning. Again, I simply stated that just because they choose/chose not to pursue the "West" way of clinical trials doesn't mean the drug doesn't work. I am not an MD or even PhD, and I'll bet you aren't either.

"Literature" is much like statistics and political commentary. One can often make words, numbers, etc., be whatever they want them to be. One thing that came up really fast is this link - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19882901

Whether definitively this works or not, I don't know. On the other hand, if I were suffering with herpes as Non Stop Guy is I'd certainly be willing to spend $500 or so to find out.

End of argument.

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beautifulwomen

Any others who have gone to Russia for this vaccine? I am seriously consider going.

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ms2

I am also very interested in this treatment. I just need more information. Short term and long term side effects? Does anybody have any additional information that is not already posted on this thread?

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Sol

follow up

Hi! All, am getting set with my booster dose -its been 6 months since i had the original vaccination.

In the past 6 months, i had only one OB- it was very very mild and went away in 3 days (the doc could barely get a sample to test). This was my 3rd Ob in 14 months and i have figured out my triggers. All my OB"s except the first one have been when i have been travelling, post a few nights of heavy partying and drinking (less sleep and lots of alcohol) and when i have stopped taking my multi-vites.

Those trying the courier route could also try a distributor called medintrog

So its not a cure, but is makes things very very bearable.

Best of luck folks. Feel free to post any questions here and i will get back to you- it may take time, but i will.

cheers

Sol

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paulaner

Where to get the Russian Vaccine?

I was speaking with the EMC Clinics because they show it on their website and say they speak perfect English.

However when I emailed them I got this response:

DearXXXXXX

Unfortunately,we do not have the Vitaherpevac vaccine in our clinic.

With kind regards,

European Medical Center

Moscow, Orlovsky per., 7

Phone: +7 495 933 66 55

www.emc-mos.ru

So where would I get the vaccine and of course - why did they stop carrying it (worries me).

I tried asking them and got this response:

DearXXXXX

Ourproviders simply don't have this vaccine at the moment and that is why we don'thave it in the clinic.

With kind regards,

European Medical Center

Moscow, Orlovsky per., 7

Phone: +7 495 933 66 55

www.emc-mos.ru

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Sol

That"s strange - i was there last week!! Will send you a pm. For the first time, you need to see a doctor who sees your medical reports and may order an immunogram for you - their concern is that your immunity level should be able to handle the vaccine.

Concerning the costs:

1. 1 box of Vitaherpavac at EMC costs 30 euro

2. Doctor's consultation is 167 euro + injection costs 21 euro.

The cheaper option is to go to the "russian herpes clinic" - i went there as well- but no one speaks Russian and the procedure is the same (I took a translator and she charged me $100)

You can buy it in Russia only. Just do a Google search, you will find a retailer called Medintorg. you can email them at medintorgspb@mail.ru They are in Moscow and St. Petersburg. For your information, there is an option to go to St. Petersburg on a overnight cruise form Helsinki (Scandavian cruise lines) for euro 200 and get 3 days of visa free entry.

It is manufactured by Vita pharma- you can find their web site online and it has a downloadable doc on administration. Use google chrome as a a browser- it has an application where it will automatically translate Russian to English (google translate is awesome!!)

Also,you will need to be on acyclovir / valtrex during the duration of the vaccination 5 weeks and one week before and after.

Hope this helps. My learning - its simply subjecting your body to 5 OB's in a controlled environment that gets your body immune system up to speed in tacking HSV and hence OB;s are less severe. It is not a cure, but it has helped me reduce the OB's dramatically.

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paulaner

Thank you so much Sol!

Can you please let us know how many days you had to stay in Russia for the treatment?

I mean, did you have to visit the clinic just once or did you have to go there for several days?

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Sol

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Hi! As i had posted earlier, there are several clinics in Russia who prescribe the vaccine. EMC is an expensive one, but is very clean and people speak english.

You only need to visit them once. There will be a consultation fee Euro 260 in total for the consultation, the first administration, and two boxes of vaccines.

The vaccine is a dry tab in the vial, it needs to be mixed with 0.3 ml of injectable water and shaken- this then give a pinkish fluid. 0.2 ml of the liquid is to be injected. The injection used in like the one diabetics use and it does not hurt.

I would suggest you get your first vaccination done there to see how is is given interdermally (maltouse method). There are 5 injections, to be taken one week apart (total 5 weeks). It is advisable to be on Valtrex 500 once a day 5 days before and after the vaccination - so 6 weeks in total this is to prevent any OB during the vaccination program.

Also, carry a plastic lunch box with a cold pack - this will allow you to carry the vaccine back to the US with you. You can get any nurse to injet it for you there.

I would suggest you buy the vaccine and its booster dose at the same time (saves u a trip!). Keep the booster at 2 - 8 degrees C in the fridge chill tray and get it administered 6 months later.

Cheers,

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paulaner

I'm planning on going in late June. Anyone want to come with (not kidding) ?

The only problem I'm having is the conflicting information that I keep getting. I hope to get EMC to commit to a single visit vaccination and then take the rest of the vaccine with me for self-administration later. I'm trained in giving injections so it's very easy for me to self-inject.

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Sol

Its not easy, I spent a lot of time and money and most of the experts I spoke with were very skeptical. Hope my experience is helpful. Also, it will be hard for you to inject yourself - its inter-dermal on the forearm.

EMC speaks english, the other clinic is http://www.herpesclinic.ru/ use google chrome browser it will translate the russian to english

http://www.herpesclinic.ru/specialisty/ilina-olga-sergeevna/ is the lady i met there (with my translator!) its very cute when you visit and resister they give you a pocket calender with HSV logo on it..!!

if you so manage to get a group to go - email me and i can give you more detailed information - taxi company, hotel etc

Tons of airlines fly to Moscow or why don;t you see if Aeroflot flies to your city. The crew must stay in a designated hotel.. try and make friends with one of them..

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paulaner

Thanks again Sol, you have been extremely helpful and I (along with many others) are thankful to you!

Could you recommend a translator? I'm planning to stay at the Crown Royal hotel in Moscow (after flying into DME).

Any tips you can give on where to get a good translator, car service, etc.. would be great.

Again - thank you Sol!!!

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Toro

I'm planning to get this Vitaherpevac vaccine at the end of September or October in Moscow. I have intermediate Russian. If any one wants to meet there, I can help out. Meanwhile, I would love to hear any post from some one who shares their experience. Thanks.

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paulaner

I have an interesting and important concern; does anyone think getting the Vitaherpevac vaccine could possibly interfere with a future new vaccine such as HerpV?

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Its not easy, I spent a lot of time and money and most of the experts I spoke with were very skeptical. Hope my experience is helpful. Also, it will be hard for you to inject yourself - its inter-dermal on the forearm.

EMC speaks english, the other clinic is http://www.herpesclinic.ru/ use google chrome browser it will translate the russian to english

http://www.herpesclinic.ru/specialisty/ilina-olga-sergeevna/ is the lady i met there (with my translator!) its very cute when you visit and resister they give you a pocket calender with HSV logo on it..!!

if you so manage to get a group to go - email me and i can give you more detailed information - taxi company, hotel etc

Tons of airlines fly to Moscow or why don;t you see if Aeroflot flies to your city. The crew must stay in a designated hotel.. try and make friends with one of them..

How is the vaccine working for you Sol ?

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lovelyoptimistic
I have an interesting and important concern; does anyone think getting the Vitaherpevac vaccine could possibly interfere with a future new vaccine such as HerpV?

Good question. I've thought about this as well. If a cure or more effective vaccine is released, how will it affect the immune system? Its like do I hold out for a cure, or take herpv or vitaherpevac...

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Flyer01

Can you please update everyone on additional info and/or your experiance w/this Vaccine?

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Hi! As i had posted earlier, there are several clinics in Russia who prescribe the vaccine. EMC is an expensive one, but is very clean and people speak english.

You only need to visit them once. There will be a consultation fee Euro 260 in total for the consultation, the first administration, and two boxes of vaccines.

The vaccine is a dry tab in the vial, it needs to be mixed with 0.3 ml of injectable water and shaken- this then give a pinkish fluid. 0.2 ml of the liquid is to be injected. The injection used in like the one diabetics use and it does not hurt.

I would suggest you get your first vaccination done there to see how is is given interdermally (maltouse method). There are 5 injections, to be taken one week apart (total 5 weeks). It is advisable to be on Valtrex 500 once a day 5 days before and after the vaccination - so 6 weeks in total this is to prevent any OB during the vaccination program.

Also, carry a plastic lunch box with a cold pack - this will allow you to carry the vaccine back to the US with you. You can get any nurse to injet it for you there.

I would suggest you buy the vaccine and its booster dose at the same time (saves u a trip!). Keep the booster at 2 - 8 degrees C in the fridge chill tray and get it administered 6 months later.

Cheers,

Hey is there a limit to how much you can get? Because usually vaccines are dose-dependent and I was thinking what if I kept injecting myself with it long term.

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non stop guy

I wish there was a way to find out if this stuff is legit.if it was I would be heading to russia asap!!!!!!!

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SuperManFace

why don't you check the studies for yourself then? google vitaherpavac scholar search its simple

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paulaner

Just got back from Moscow

I went to Moscow and began the Vitaherpavac and Panavir treatments. I was only there for a few days so I was only able to get the first Vita and 2 Panavir injections. I brought the rest back with me.

The trip was very easy and the staff at the Clinic were very nice, professional and helpful. Their english was about a B- or a C+ which is why I think their emails aren't the greatest. However in person they were personable, and professional. the EMC clinic is very clean and as I learned the default go-to hospital for Microsoft and all the major oil companies that do business in Moscow. In fact, my driver let me know that part of Microsoft's requirement is to know the fastest path to EMC from wherever their execs are staying or frequent. My driver also drove for Microsoft obviously.

My situation is likely different than yours. I was OB'ing about every 4 weeks. It would take 1-2 weeks to subside, then I would have a 2 week repreive, then it would come back. That was my life for 3 years until I got sooooo frustrated that I injected the usual OB area with Propolis. This taught me that HSV HATES PROPOLIS. Bam, the virus went down and stayed down for months, maybe it would have stayed down forever but I wasn't going to chance that. So off to Moscow I went. I had the primary injections done over there and now I'm finishing it at home in North America.

Things to note: Injecting myself with Propolis was very painful. I'd rate the pain as a 7.5 out of 10. The pain lasted about 5 minutes then quickly subsided until about 40 minutes later it was almost entirely gone. After injection with Propolis the OB went down overnight. Just to be sure I did a second injection 24 hours after the first. But I don't think that one was needed. I learned that HSV HATES PROPOLIS, wow - imagine being non-stop outbreak guy who has tried everything possible and then BAM you can feel the virus just being gone one day. You think maybe it's in your head but months pass and still no OB. You purposefully hit all your triggers (no sleep, drinking etc..) and yet nothing.

Moscow as amazing, it truly blew my mind. I was very afraid of the place because of all those movies we've seen but it turned out to be completely different than I thought. It was safe, clean, the people were nice, I made lots of friends, didn't cost much, was incredibly beautiful and awe inspiring and frankly I didn't want to leave!

The ONLY bad part of my trip was dealing with a 30 minute wait of people cramming into immigration to enter Russia. That's it - that was the only bad thing. I went there with fear in my heart and came back with inspiration and love. Actually there is one more bad thing - I miss it now. I woke this morning and wanted to go back to one of the parks and mingle with the people. I want to sit at one of the cafe's and people watch. I want to flag down an old Russian Lada car to go for a ride (there aren't many left, they all drive Japanese or German cars there now).

OK one last bad thing - I'm having trouble finding a nurse to do the Panavir injections for me. Still working on that, in the worst case I'll have to do them myself :(

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non stop guy

Wow is all I can say man.I think its time for me to take a little trip!!!

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paulaner

I can give you a LOT of intel on how to make the trip easy and fun. I used a private tour guide to pick me up at the airport, take me to lunch, then to the hotel. That same guide picked me up the next day and took me to the clinic, waited for me, then we went off on a driving tour. This guide can arrange a lot of stuff for you. She is originally from Ohio, so obviously her knowledge of English and North American culture is perfect. I went for more sightseeing over the next days and really had a great time.

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