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yzabet

So. I've only ever slept with four people. I have called all of them back by now to urge them to get all nice and tested, and I believe they have all told me true about their testing and results.

1- Last had sex with him summer, last year. He has since had a fully comprehensive STD panel which included HSV, says he got that done in the fall last year and was clear.

2- Complete virgin. Had never been naked with anyone in a sexual context before. I already knew that about him; we'd known each other a while.

3- Last had sex this summer, in June or so. He got tested last month at my behest, tested negative.

4- Current partner. Last had sex about a week before my first outbreak hit me in the genitals last month. He also got tested at my behest, about three weeks or so after I did. He also has tested negative, though we'll be going through it again in January to be sure I didn't pass it along to him.

As stated, I'm pretty sure none of them are lying. They're all decent guys that I'd been friendly and open with prior to hopping in the sack.

The only other conclusions I can come to are:

Some cosmic force has it in for me.

Object transmission is not a total myth and some skanky toilet seat has screwed me over.

Questions, comments, answers?

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JBnATL

You did NOT get it from a toilet seat. The ONLY way to get this is from skin to skin contact.

Your giver is probably your current bf and he probably just got it himself. That is why he tested negative because he has yet to build up antibodies to the virus that the tests look for.

Anyway, it does not matter who you got it from. You have it and nothing will change that.

Come to the "Chat Room", there you will find many nice fellow Herpsters who can offer you their support.

Good luck!

JB

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RealisticGal

Hi yzabet ---

Do you have HSV1 or HSV2?

Were all four of your partners tested for both types?

:wavey:

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yzabet

i have both. they've all been tested for both. they've all come up clean for both.

i really don't think it's my current beau. he hasn't been with anyone else at least since august, and he's told me he hasn't been with anyone since last year. i believe him completely.

maybe not a toilet seat. i've been thinking long and hard about this, though not obsessively i don't think.

i was house-sitting that week. one morning i had grabbed the wrong towel coming out of the shower. a day or two after that, i puked all over the floor and started showing symptoms. i'm thinking one of the home's owners has it and now i do too.

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Number7

I have the same situation as you and honestly believe there are more people than what the CDC implies that just do not show antibodies to this virus -- It was most likely your last partner. He could have acquired it before being with you and has just not shown antibodies yet.

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yzabet

does that mean he'll never show antibodies on a test? even if he's been celibate for a year and some before we got started? i thought a person would always show antibodies if they had hsv1 or 2 even if they were completely and totally asymptomatic.

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Number7
does that mean he'll never show antibodies on a test? even if he's been celibate for a year and some before we got started? i thought a person would always show antibodies if they had hsv1 or 2 even if they were completely and totally asymptomatic.

They say it's rare not to show antibodies but I don't know how they can say "rare" when they can't do studies on someone who has not shown antibodies. I think it can take way longer than 4 mos for some people to show antibodies - especially if they already have hsv1 - some people can serorevert - meaning their antibody levels go undetectable on tests at times. Antibodies can also cross-react or some people have t-cell immunity and never show antibodies. They just don't know enough about this virus and their testing is not up to par with other testing like HIV. That's part of the reason why it is not included in std testing unless asked for--false negatives as well as false positives.

Is this person someone who you can trust with their "word" about being celibate, etc? Have you "seen" his test as well as the others?

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yzabet

i trust him absolutely. he is a wonderful and rare human being. also he has been busy like you wouldn't believe with a new job and got out of a long term thing relatively recently. i'm probably not explaining him very well....but i trusted him with my hsv2 news before anyone else except my mother. and i trusted him for a reason. and he hasn't let me down yet. we went in to get his testing done together.

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i trust him absolutely. he is a wonderful and rare human being. also he has been busy like you wouldn't believe with a new job and got out of a long term thing relatively recently. i'm probably not explaining him very well....but i trusted him with my hsv2 news before anyone else except my mother. and i trusted him for a reason. and he hasn't let me down yet. we went in to get his testing done together.

Some people could be immune to getting it - some people just don't "show" antibodies - and some people take longer to show antibodies -- it's a very confusing virus. It's great you found someone you can trust - I hope things work out for you.

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yzabet

thank you.

and maybe i'm being a bit thick about this but it is indeed very confusing and apparently most of my research doesn't apply to this situation (unless there really is a liar in my history).

but what i'm reading is: one could conceivably be immune to virus themselves and still pass it on to someone without that immunity. the immune person may just take longer to present testable amounts of antibodies, or may never develop antibodies at all.

likely Current Guy got it, is immune himself, but managed to pass it along unbeknownst to either of us.

y/n?

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RealisticGal

what i'm reading is: one could conceivably be immune to virus themselves and still pass it on to someone without that immunity. the immune person may just take longer to present testable amounts of antibodies, or may never develop antibodies at all.

likely Current Guy got it, is immune himself, but managed to pass it along unbeknownst to either of us.

y/n?

No.

In order to pass HSV to someone else, it is necessary to have the virus oneself.

However...there are documented cases of folks who do have HSV, but do not form antibodies to a level that is detectable by currently available blood tests.

(They can be proven to have HSV by other test methods which detect actual viral particles or DNA.)

HTH

:wavey:

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RealisticGal

Here is one other factoid that might either help clear up, or perhaps contribute to, the confusion.

It is not typical, but some folks have been shown to take as much as 6 months or more to form detectable levels of antibodies after acquiring the virus.

So...the question is, could this tidbit apply to your situation?

Have any of the guys had sex with anyone besides you within about 6 months before they got tested? If so, it is possible they have HSV but got a "false negative" on their test.

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yzabet

hummmm....

not Current Guy.

i don't think the one prior to him had either.

i don't really know what Florida's been up to, but he hasn't brought up the topic of him having other partners around the time we were last together.

is it possible someone may never form detectable levels of antibodies? Current Guy is going to get another test in January to see if everything is still the same.

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RealisticGal

is it possible someone may never form detectable levels of antibodies? Current Guy is going to get another test in January to see if everything is still the same.

Yes, it is possible.

It is not common, but there are documented cases of folks who persistently get negative HSV antibody test results, but have been proven to have HSV using other testing methods.

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yzabet

so it seems either:

folks have been less than honest about their results. which i will contend is not the case.

or

lucky me found someone with a special sneaky brand of vd.

most signs point to Current Guy and the second option as i broke out around one of our encounters and it would be absurd to lump in two uncommon herpes thing into the same incident (long-dormant strain + low antibody count).

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so it seems either:

folks have been less than honest about their results. which i will contend is not the case.

or

lucky me found someone with a special sneaky brand of vd.

most signs point to Current Guy and the second option as i broke out around one of our encounters and it would be absurd to lump in two uncommon herpes thing into the same incident (long-dormant strain + low antibody count).

Not sure what you might mean by a "special sneaky brand of vd."

If a person does not form detectable antibodies, it would have to do with their immune system rather than anything "special" about the HSV itself.

:hmmmm2:

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