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Just got the diagnosis today..HSV type 1 genitally:(

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bp1983

I just found out I have HSV type 1, but in the genital area. I was with my boyfriend when two small little bumps showed up then went to go get tested. I had no clue I had anything! Can you be contagious when the small skin color bumps show up?! If so, I'm afraid I passed it to him. :/. Also, now he's telling me his daughter is sick..nauseous and fever.. What if she has it now??? I'm going crazy!!!! Maybe he has had a cold sore and didn't tell me, I don't know. But I'm scared his daughter may have it since shes having symptoms but I just can't tell him yet. I just found out myself today after the bloodwork and swab came in. Help please:((

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Acesheart
I just found out I have HSV type 1, but in the genital area. I was with my boyfriend when two small little bumps showed up then went to go get tested. I had no clue I had anything! Can you be contagious when the small skin color bumps show up?! If so, I'm afraid I passed it to him. :/. Also, now he's telling me his daughter is sick..nauseous and fever.. What if she has it now??? I'm going crazy!!!! Maybe he has had a cold sore and didn't tell me, I don't know. But I'm scared his daughter may have it since shes having symptoms but I just can't tell him yet. I just found out myself today after the bloodwork and swab came in. Help please:((

Hey bp. Welcome to the family. :wavey: . Yes herps can transmitted when no sores or spots are visible. Has he ever tested? Your ghsv1 could have easily come from him giving you oral sex. His daughter being sick, I'm sure she's in school/daycare, could have a simple cold or any winter time illness. In my daughters school, I caught everything from the kids :) . Unless she tested for h1 cold sores, no way of knowing what her fever is from. He certainly needs to be tested, that is how your h genitally is gotten. Relax.and read this book www.westoverheights.com , just stay calm, I'm sure she is okay. You really must tell him. He could be Asymptomatic. Take care. Truly, Ace :hithere:

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victor

Having HSV-1 genitally really isn't a big deal. Chances are you got this from your boyfriend's HSV-1 oral infection through oral sex. Since you two have the same strain of HSV-1, you aren't going to spread this back and forth to each other in different locations. You really have nothing to worry about. Somewhere between 60-80% of adults have HSV-1 and only around 10% of us make it out of life without acquiring HSV-1. Since this is the same strain of HSV-1, your boyfriend is not going to get it genitally from you and you aren't going to get it orally from him. Here's a link to a thread by STD expert Dr. Handsfield about your same scenario http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Partners-have-different-HSV1-genital--oral-/show/1129351

In most if not all cases, people get HSV-1 genitally because they have no prexisting HSV-1 antibodies. It is extremely, extremely rare to get infected in two different locations unless it is through the same encounter or exposure (ex: you getting kissed before your bf performed oral sex on you when infection was shedding). It is important to be careful during your primary outbreak since your body is just now developing antibodies to fight the virus and prevent it from being spread to other locations. However, after the primary outbreak, you are highly, highly unlikely to spread it to another location. In fact, Herpes expert, Terri Warren has only seen one instance where it possibly happened and even then, she wasn't totally convinced it happened at all.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Herpes/Genital-HSV-1/show/1843133

So yeah, you won't ping pong this back and forth to each other because you both now have HSV-1 even though it's in different locations. If you are to have genital herpes, HSV-1 is the one to have according to the STD experts because of its low shedding rate and mild outbreaks. Since you and your partner both have HSV-1, you don't really have a transmission risk. If in the future you find another partner, there is a 60-80% chance that he already has HSV-1 and is not at risk for acquiring another infection in a different location despite his infection's site. Even if you find a partner who is negative for HSV-1, you have a very, very low chance of spreading this to him through genital-to-genital sex. Basically, just avoiding sex anytime you have anything going on genitally is all it takes to prevent a negative HSV-1 person from becoming infected with your HSV-1. Genital HSV-1 sheds approximately 3% of days out of the year or 12 days per year, and only a quarter of those with genital HSV-1 shed the virus when there are no obvious symptoms; you can read more here if you'd like http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html. Basically, just avoiding sex anytime you have anything going on genitally is all it takes to prevent transmission to a HSV-1 negative partner. However, chances are that if you do find someone else, he is most likely going to have HSV-1 and is not at risk for acquiring another infection genitally.

Some people can spread HSV-1 to other parts of their body through autoinoculation during the primary outbreak (touching herpes lesion then touching mucous membrane such as mouth, nose, ear, eyes), but this rarely occurs. If you think about it, many babies get oral HSV-1 and babies love to touch everything, so if HSV-1 could be spread easily then we'd be seeing a bunch of babies with oral HSV-1 and genital HSV-1, due to them touching their cold sore then genitals, but we don't see this happen :). Here's another link from herpes expert, Terri Warren, that will help you better understand

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Herpes/Spreading-Cold-Sores-or-HSV1/show/1822568

Like I said, chances are you got this from your boyfriend's oral HSV-1 infection. It is not uncommon for people with oral HSV-1 to be asymptomatic. In fact, only 20-40% of those infected with oral HSV-1 get cold sores or obvious symptoms to know they have it. You aren't going to ping pong this infection back and forth because right now your body is developing antibodies to fight the virus and prevent it from being spread to other locations of the body. After your primary OB, it is extremely, extremely unlikely that you'll spread this to another part of your body. Since your boyfriend has HSV-1 already and now you do, you aren't going to be passing this onto him genitally. However, there are no absolutes in biology, but you have a better chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery than becoming infected with HSV-1 in another location :) (same applies for your boyfriend). I suggest avoiding sex if your OBs are painful and to err on the side of caution when symptoms are present for transmission purposes to negative HSV-1 people.

There's a lot of information on MedHelp.org by leading STD experts/Herpes experts that will be able to provide you with detailed information, but don't forget about us here if you ever need support! This will be a minor inconvenience in your life, and if you are to have genital herpes, HSV-1 is the one to have according to experts. Remember, you're in the majority! :)

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Thanks so much victor...this is just the information I was looking for on genital Hsv1. You have answered all my questions thanks!

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Acesheart

Lock, its highly unlikely, not, I repeat NOT IMPOSSIBLE. I talk to many married couples that this same oral h1. Passed to female, went genial and the male now has genital, same oral he gave his wife genitally, from his same strain he has orally, she "pinged it back to him genitally.. no certainly not 100%, that this can't happen.

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victor

Acesheartshineson1 - As I said, there are no absolutes in biology; never said it was impossible :). In fact, you and I could win the lottery tomorrow. If you have seen many cases of this, maybe you should notify the experts, but I'm sure these cases lack sufficient information on preexisting HSV-1 antibodies. Most likely, the infections happened from the same exposure, were close together or went undetected. In almost all, if not all of genital HSV-1 cases, the person infected had no prior antibodies to HSV-1.

Ace - how many cases have you seen where couples have a longstanding HSV-2 infection genitally then later acquire HSV-2 orally? That's probably just as rare as the scenario above.

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Victor, I haven't outted myself, nor would I betray them by outting them ;) . I have spoken with many couples here, married like myself, yes they pinged their h to their spouses. It's their h that and them being married that causes them to seek another married person with h. The fact that my husband has tested and is still non h, that amazes even me. But being outted to the "so called experts" , yeah not in this life time. I have had 24 years of these ppl, that's over two decades of expertise.

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victor

I'm more inclined to believe the experts especially Terri Warren, Dr. Handsfield, and Dr. Hook. They could have gave their HSV-1 to their non HSV-1 partner in two locations during the same exposure. 1/4-2/3 of those who acquire genital HSV-1 get it orally during the SAME encounter. After the antibodies are built up, it's highly, highly unlikely. I don't think you'd be "outing" people by notifying the experts of this. Instead, if your cases are legitimate, you'd be providing a better understanding of this disease to benefit others. How many cases have you seen where couples have longstanding HSV-2 infection genitally then later acquire HSV-2 orally? Same possibilities as the other. Once again Ace, I never said it couldn't happen, as there are no absolutes in anything, but it is extremely, extremely unlikely to happen.

Bottom line: Dr. HHH, Dr. Hook, and Terri Warren have never seen one with a longstanding HSV-1 infection acquire it in another location in over 30 years (Terri Warren saw possibly one case, but she wasn't totally convinced). They are experts; studied this in college; are MDs/RNs with specializations in STDs. Their diagnosing/studying this on a daily basis.

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Legitimate in the sense that they had actual proven cases of HSV-1 in one part of the body, and got it in another location, passed it to their partners mouth then to their partners genitals, (the same couple who both had previous longstanding infections before acquiring it in another location). If I was to run this scenario by the experts they would probably be completely baffled and would laugh in my face because it is dang near unrealistic. Nonetheless, this probably didn't happen, so no need to jump to anything here. I suggest you visit the information that the experts provide on MedHelp to gain a better understanding of genital HSV-1. You're jumping to conclusions; never did I say there not legitimate, but they are extremely far fetched. A person has a small possibility to spread HSV-1 to other parts of their body during the primary OB before their body produces antibodies to prevent it from spreading to other locations. These antibodies are found throughout the entire body in the blood; the antibodies are not just in the area of infection. The area of infection is only where the infection presents itself. Again, the chances of getting HSV-1 in more than one location after having an established HSV-1 infection are like winning the lottery! Sure it can happen Ace, but you could win the lottery too! Here's some links pertaining to this dilemma from the experts. You say you have 24 years of expertise...In what exactly? Do you mean you have had the virus for 24 years or are you a certified STD specialist MD/RN/DO?

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Partners-have-different-HSV1-genital--oral-/show/1129351

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Herpes/Spreading-Cold-Sores-or-HSV1/show/1822568

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Herpes/Genital-HSV-1/show/1843133

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Victor this is my last post to you. I am not here to say to these beautiful married couples " are you sure this is how you got the double h whammy", because experts say its highly unlikely. I have compassion, these members are trying to save their marriages! They could give a rats ass about what the experts and statics say as to how, or why it happened. Nuff said. :hithere:

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Once again, I never asked for any specifics of the couples regarding identifiable information. Your immaturity to read and interpret any of my responses while trying to bash experts and indicate that your opinion is the only correct one is ridiculous. If these people did in fact catch it twice, then that is unfortunate, but I know we both agree that it's highly unlikely to happen. Done and done!

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bp1983

Wow.. I really appreciate all the advise. The drama could have been saved for another time. I did just find out and going through a difficult time. I was just asking if there's a possibility it could have been passed to my bf's daughter??! I will tell my bf as soon as we have time alone. I'm just scared she have have it too now. I have so many mixed emotions about all of this. :/

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Does HSV-1 on genitals still cause out breaks such as ulcers?

Yes , and the outbreak can be anywhere in that boxer shorts area. Mine was in/on my anus as well. Hope you feel better. Take care. Ace. :)

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Wow.. I really appreciate all the advise. The drama could have been saved for another time. I did just find out and going through a difficult time. I was just asking if there's a possibility it could have been passed to my bf's daughter??! I will tell my bf as soon as we have time alone. I'm just scared she have have it too now. I have so many mixed emotions about all of this. :/

Hey bp. You are absolutely correct, it is never my intentions to add to anyone's anxiety or stresses. Please forgive me, it was ignorant on my part to engage in such nonsense. Please accept my apologies. If I can help, please let me know. Sincerely, Ceci :)

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bp1983 - Hey, sorry. I just wanted to make you as informed as I could with the best resources we have from the leading experts in Herpes/STDs (Dr. Handsfield, Terri Warren, Dr. Hook). I know this is a hard time for you, so the information was intended to inform you of the specifics of HSV from the top experts who study this regularly. A select few of those who aren't experts don't agree with the experts despite their enormous amount of research and work, and that's OK. Hopefully I steered you in the right direction from the links I posted to help you better understand and alleviate your concerns because at this point with the same partner, there aren't any. It will all work out!!

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