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I'm worried that I have genital HSV and I was hoping for a second opinion. I've been to two doctors, my primary physician and a urologist, and both seem convinced I don't have HSV, but I'm not. My symptoms have been:

-two clusters of small bumps. They are sometimes red, sometimes skin-colored. They are now just going away, they aren't rupturing. The urologist tried to tell me they were pearly penile papules, but they are on the shaft, just below the head of the penis, not on the head of the penis itself.

-for about 2-3 weeks, I had a feeling that I needed to urinate all of the time

-I would feel some pain when I first started urinating

-I felt a stinging pain in the head of my penis, but it is in the urethra.

I have some of the following symptoms, but I'm not sure they are "real". I may have started experiencing them only after I read about them online:

-chills

-very hot, but no fever (at least not one that registered)

-tingling in my thighs

-small discharge from my penis. It was clear, watery substance, not colored or tacky in viscosity. Only lasted a few days.

The bumps appeared January 14/15. It's now February 8, and they are about 70% gone. They have never ruptured at all. They resemble bumps, not vesticules/blisters. The urge to urinate has been gone for a few days, and the constant irritation I felt only comes about if I'm wearing tight pants. On January 21st, I had a PCR test done on a viral culture, and blood was drawn for an antibody test (I'm assuming an IgG test). Both came back negative for HSV 1 and 2, but I realize that they could be false; the culture was done on the 6th or 7th day, and I may not have enough antibodies to show up on the blood test. I'm going back for a blood test April 15th, which is 12 weeks after the first signs.

I haven't had sexual contact with anyone since September, and I've never had these symptoms. I have this theory about how I could have contracted it, and my primary physician says it's possible, but very unlikely. Here is my main concern: I'm dating a great woman, and we haven't had sexual contact at all, but I'm afraid I could have HSV 2 in my mouth (I have no sores or symptoms orally at all), and I fear transferring it to her via kissing. I really want to tell her everything that is going on, but my doctors and a friend and another family member are advising me that I would be frightening her for no reason. Can someone please reply with their opinion please? I have 9 weeks until I test again, but my main concern is this woman's well-being, but I'm pretty certain that she will be scared away if I sit down and tell her all of this. I'm frightened and just need some opinions please. Thank you.

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UserID

Why do you think you have HSV2 in your mouth when you have no oral sores or symptoms at all?

It doesn't sound like genital HSV because they are usually blisters that do burst and scab over.

All that being said, I would wait to have sex until it's all cleared up and see the results when you have another test for it.

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ImNewHere

Thank you so much for your reply. Not being able to talk about this has been difficult for me.

In late November, I made out with a woman I was dating for a couple of minutes. That was the extent of contact, no intercourse or oral sex whatsoever. Immediately after, she starts moving her tongue around in her mouth, and says "My gynecologist said I have herpes, but.." and I cannot remember what she said after that. That is the reason I worry, even though I don't have any symptoms orally at all. I figured if I had HSV 2 orally, it would have shown up on the blood test that was run on January 21st, but I'm not sure if I would have antibodies if OHSV2 was dormant?

While I'm hoping it's not HSV since it doesn't fit the description entirely, I've never experienced any of these symptoms. What I have doesn't seem to resemble the blisters I've found online, but those seem to be the more severe cases, from what I can tell. Thank god for this forum, keeping all of this inside, trying not to cry in front of others, has been so very hard.

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Well when someone says that they have herpes, you should listen to what else is being said....lol. But seriously, HSV2 on the mouth is quite rare. It's possible but very rare and then to go and pass it to you on the mouth would also be quite rare. When she said she had herpes, she could've even meant HSV1 (cold sores) on her mouth. Again, it would've helped to have listened what she said.

Now if you did in fact have HSV1 or HSV2 in your oral region, you would not be showing signs of it on your penis. You say you never had intercourse, correct? Was there skin to skin contact between you and her in your 'boxer shorts' region? If not, then those bumps are not herpes my friend.

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I'm worried that I have genital HSV and I was hoping for a second opinion. I've been to two doctors, my primary physician and a urologist, and both seem convinced I don't have HSV, but I'm not. My symptoms have been:

-two clusters of small bumps. They are sometimes red, sometimes skin-colored. They are now just going away, they aren't rupturing. The urologist tried to tell me they were pearly penile papules, but they are on the shaft, just below the head of the penis, not on the head of the penis itself.

-for about 2-3 weeks, I had a feeling that I needed to urinate all of the time

-I would feel some pain when I first started urinating

-I felt a stinging pain in the head of my penis, but it is in the urethra.

I have some of the following symptoms, but I'm not sure they are "real". I may have started experiencing them only after I read about them online:

-chills

-very hot, but no fever (at least not one that registered)

-tingling in my thighs

-small discharge from my penis. It was clear, watery substance, not colored or tacky in viscosity. Only lasted a few days.

The bumps appeared January 14/15. It's now February 8, and they are about 70% gone. They have never ruptured at all. They resemble bumps, not vesticules/blisters. The urge to urinate has been gone for a few days, and the constant irritation I felt only comes about if I'm wearing tight pants. On January 21st, I had a PCR test done on a viral culture, and blood was drawn for an antibody test (I'm assuming an IgG test). Both came back negative for HSV 1 and 2, but I realize that they could be false; the culture was done on the 6th or 7th day, and I may not have enough antibodies to show up on the blood test. I'm going back for a blood test April 15th, which is 12 weeks after the first signs.

I haven't had sexual contact with anyone since September, and I've never had these symptoms. I have this theory about how I could have contracted it, and my primary physician says it's possible, but very unlikely. Here is my main concern: I'm dating a great woman, and we haven't had sexual contact at all, but I'm afraid I could have HSV 2 in my mouth (I have no sores or symptoms orally at all), and I fear transferring it to her via kissing. I really want to tell her everything that is going on, but my doctors and a friend and another family member are advising me that I would be frightening her for no reason. Can someone please reply with their opinion please? I have 9 weeks until I test again, but my main concern is this woman's well-being, but I'm pretty certain that she will be scared away if I sit down and tell her all of this. I'm frightened and just need some opinions please. Thank you.

It is not likely that you have hsv2 orally. Go to Westoverheights.com and download the free herpes handbook -- perhaps that will help you understand transmission, etc. There is a lot of useful information in there.

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I know, I panicked and now I can't recall what she said. I've read that HSV 1 or 2 can show up orally or genitally however.

The part of the story I'm leaving off is that while I've had no oral symptoms, I have (a month or so after making out with this woman) spit into my hand to use it as lubrication during masturbation. There was no skin to skin contact between this woman and myself. But there is what I just described, and that is my "connection" about how it could have been transferred. I'm just so frightened right now.

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I know, I panicked and now I can't recall what she said. I've read that HSV 1 or 2 can show up orally or genitally however.

The part of the story I'm leaving off is that while I've had no oral symptoms, I have (a month or so after making out with this woman) spit into my hand to use it as lubrication during masturbation. There was no skin to skin contact between this woman and myself. But there is what I just described, and that is my "connection" about how it could have been transferred. I'm just so frightened right now.

Very, very little chance of passing it on this way. I can almost say without much doubt---no chance. Herpes transmission usually has to be massaged into the skin (kissing/sex) and usually enters the body through open sores (small cracks) in the skin and/or muscus membranes

I've been tracking information/stories/medical journals for about 3 years. I've not seen any reports of hsv2 being passed from mouth to genital.

I don't think you need to be worried. Download the book though -- it's very useful info even on taking steps to prevent transmission.

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Hi Number7,

I don't know your name, but thank you miss. I've gotten myself so worked up as of late I'm not sleeping any more, and my nerves are quite frayed.

I'm familiar with the book you've mentioned, I downloaded the PDF and saved it for future reference. It's too bad that clinic is in Oregon, I would have liked a personal exam and testing done there.

Thank you to you and UserID once again for taking the time to read and reply. The fear and panic of dealing with this has been hard to deal with.

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Hi mate, I hope you are managing to calm those nerves a bit, I think you have pretty good reasons to be calm in respect of your fear of herpes. Even if it is herpes, then this concern may be exaggerated as well given how little it may impact your life.

First, the tingles, burning whilst peeing, and frequent peeing without sores/blisters are more likely to be caused by something else. You don't mention whether there were discussions about urinary tract infection or an STI such as chlamydia being tested for or treated. Were there any discussions or tests?

Second, the blood test is about four months after your last possible exposure. Negative IgG for both types is highly convincing. I mean seriously low probabilities now.

Third, those other activities you mention seem very unlikely to transmit or transfer herpes even if actually present.

At this point, most every clinician would tell you open and shut case, you're negative. The bumps and other symptoms are interesting and really the only thing that in my mind would cause someone to want that April blood test or a more timely swab, it seems a good idea. If the symptoms quieten down between now and April, then the test is incredibly unlikely to be anything but negative and the odds are heavily stacked that way.

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Hi WilsoInAus,

Thanks for the reply, sorry mine is so late. I'm normally quite calm, but this has just caused me to flat-out panic.

I do have bumps, just not blisters/sores/vesticules, and none of the doctors I've seen can explain it, that's part of my worry. I've had urine tests done, they come back negative/normal. We haven't tested for something like chlamydia, but I don't have all of the symptoms, and it would have had to be dormant since September until now.

The symptoms I have just lined up with HSV, and that's what has me worried. I'm hoping the symptoms/bumps won't come back, but it's a waiting game at this point until my test again in April. Part of my fear is because I've started seeing a woman who is absolutely stellar, and I'm highly concerned about her health and welfare. I sat down and told her about all of this on the night of 2/8/2013, and she has been amazingly understanding. And yes, if any one was concerned, we haven't had intercourse/oral sex whatsoever. She thinks I'm negative, but she has agreed to wait until after the blood test in April, since it's so important to me.

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