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:grin: A lovely member on here led me to looking futher into alkaline versus acid levels in our body.

I began researching this alot and highly recommend everyone look into it, even if you do not suffer from OBs all the time, I believe that alkaline levels is the answer to ALL our health problems!!!

My friend in USA uses Alkazone - drops that you can put into your water to make your water more alkaline (he does not suffer H but often uses food as his medicine) In NZ I went to my store and asked about alkaline drops and they dont have them BUT they have BARLEY GRASS LEAF POWDER (or capsules) and this does the very same thing.

I have just started taking it today. I would like to find some litmus paper to test my alkaline levels but have no idea where to get it from. The lady that sold me the powder swears by it as she has a more acidic body and when she doesnt have the Barley Grass she gets sick again.

From all my research I believe it is the answer to stopping H altogether. The reason is: when you increase your alkaline intake to 80% and acidic intake to only 20% this is your ultimate healthiest, when your alkaline levels increase your body can fight off more diseases and when it is higher it can even kill off cancer cells (this is what I understood from the website)

Sorry my thread may sound all confusing, feel free to ask me any questions at all :) Im just excited that this may get rid of my H altogether, even if the doctors think it is still in my stupid spinal fluid!

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Wink wink. Negan you can get the litmus paper from your pharmacy. Anyone interested can read my article Outbreak Free and Proud To Be from my website below.

It does get rid of all your outbreaks. You quite simply stop outbreaking. And if you ever feel a tingle down below that's your warning sign you're off balnce and can retify it immediately. Not only that you're going to live a long and healthy life.

I am working on an article walking through the process. The theory. The better food choices etc. I just need a volonteer to babysit the boys while I get this important job done. In the meantime bug Negan.


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im sorry but the word cure means to eradicate the virus from our bodies..

all your talking about is nothing more then supressing the virus.

im all for supressing the virus, but we will still shed, be contagouis and worry about the dreaded talk.

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About shedding and eliminating outbreaks

[]It seems most likely that viral shedding starts to occur before an outbreak, and then during an outbreak of course, and then for a while after the outbreak. If one doesn't have outbreaks, or even have an "almost outbreak", then viral shedding is less likely to happen. (An "almost outbreak" might be defined as getting symptoms that are so mild that they are probably not noticed, and definitely not bothersome, and which may seem just like a very slight irritation which is passed off as being a heat rash or something.)] From the sitehttp://www.herpesadvice.org

So if we can eliminate outbreads it makes sense that we drastically reduce or eliminate shedding. Unless you suscribe to the 'scare tactics' employed by the professionals that 'boy we can't ever control the shedding'. If this were so my soon to be ex husband would have been infected already and both my kids because they love to play hide and seek under my shirt. I'd prefer to agree with the commonsense notion like that quoted from the above metioned site as opposed to some helter skelter idea put forward by the authorities which more or less defines us as social lepers or pariahs best to be kept at arms distance cause one just never knows when we're going to explode silently ...

But any way ,controlling herpes outbreaks naturally is already half the battle. And would be very encouraging when you have to do the talk. ' Honey, the risk of you contracting herpes from me is almost minimal ' I 'd prefer to do that kind of talk rather than coming forward with a whole ton of pamflets which just scares the living daylights out of any one. If a man came to me today (and asuming I was free and available and loved him) and said 'hey Christy I've got something to tell you. I've got herpes.' Well Ids ask, 'Have you got your outbreaks under control?' If his anwer were yes, what would I care? If it were no I'd proceed to show him how to and at the later date start the ball rolling, if you know what I mean.

I think us sufferers have a responsibility first to ourselves to live outbreak free. Then to a partner. And there is none of us with herpes who isn't bothered about pasing it on. So if we can mimize (or eliminate ) the risk of passing it one through eliminating our outbreaks naturally ( and well getting healthy), resulting in reducing or eliminating shedding well, what have we to lose?


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agreed but still - its not a cure. that was my point.

i had unprotected sex with both my last girlfriends since ive had HSV and not gave it to either of them and i dont take any meds.

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Negan, you're acountable here sweetie. I agree I wouldn't call it a cure because certainly when you stop being healthy you're going to get them again. But I wouldn't call herpes herpes either. I'd call it a fucked up immune system disorder which causes breakout, on your face, on your back, on your innner thighs on your genitals. And baby if you don't take care of your health your body is just gonna let you know - one way or another.

But hey Gutted, isn't it a liberation to have uninhibited sex and not be guilty about it?

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My natural doctor is all about alkalizing the body. She gave me some good tips to get your body going. To alkalize she said you can drink water with lemon and lime squeezed into it. Or raw, unfiltered organic apple cider vinegar is great for alkalizing as well. You can drink a glass of water with a teaspoon of it every day to help. Just some things that I've done to keep myself alkaline...

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Well I think it possibly CAN be a cure in the end...

As I mentioned thats what I understood from what I read as for Cancer cells when your body reaches a certain Alkaline state it can get rid of cancer cells, then once they are gone you bring your body back to a healthy alkaline state and maintain health. In theory if it works for cancer why wouldnt it work for H? (I did say that MAYBE a cure! lol :))

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I think what people have an objection to is the use of the word cure. As opposed to saying a natural way to eliminate oubreaks. But perhaps it can be a cure who knows. What we need to do is get a group of people test for herpes. Then put them all on an alkalizing diet for a while (their lifetimes perhaps) test them tweny years later on and see whether they show up positve. There was a time I even went to my doctor to get him to run a test to prove whether I was still positve. I just didn't have any signs of it. He convinced me otherwise that this is forever. Still Negan we may be onto something. How's the research coming along?


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Alkalise or die!!! Part one

Finally I get a bit of time. One and a half hours to be exact. So I have to type fast. Unfortunately I don’t have all my resources in front for me. All the lovely books I could quote from – lent them out. Anyway here goes.

The theory [An acidic body provides a biological terrain conducive for disease to proliferate…. Maintaining proper alkaline levels is essential for overall good health as well as preventing all herpes outbreaks.] From the book Never an Outbreak. In simple words … pathogens love an acid environment. That’s where they breed and multiply. The herpes virus can not survive or proliferate in an alkaline environment.

So how does one rebalance one’s body to an alkaline level which supports health and keep the little suckers from being a hindrance? Diet. Whatever you put inside of you.

ACID ------------------------------NEUTRAL-------------------------ALKALINE

0 7 10

Let’s start with what we drink. Your choice of beverage.


Not all waters are equal. Before you buy mineral water (if that’s what you drink) have a look at the official analyse at the back of the bottle. You should favour water which is on the alkaline side on the scale. I spent one morning in the supermarket reading the backs of every brand of water till I found one which had a PH of 8. (Luchon if you’re living in France). It’s also a lovely soft water and tastes great.

To those fortunate enough to have the extrea cah around to throw into a Melody water ioniser which not only filters your tap water, it splits the water into acid, which you can feed your plants and alkaline which you can drink , there is this option. Sang Whang the author to Reverse Aging swears by it. I have one and I don’t think any harm has come of me using it. I only need to clarify what the white depot in the glass is.


If you want to bring on an outbreak drink cola. It has an acidity of 2.5. it would take 32 glasses of alkaline water with a PH of ten to neutralise one glass of cola.

If you want to stomp an outbreak squeeze lemons into your water. They have an extremely alkalising effect in the body.

Beer has a PH of 2.5 Guess you wouldn’t want to drink this everyday. Hard spirits are also very acid forming. And so to any drink sweetened with artificial sweeteners or refined sugar.

Juice your own fruits. Make your own lemon aid. And if you must have an acidic drink, get alkalife a few drops in your wine will not alter the taste but will lower its acidity make it more neutral. (Can’t imagine doing that in a posh restaurant.) I think the trick is finding the middle ground. You can have one drink but it is what it all adds up to at the end of the day. When you pee on the litmus paper the next morning it will total your previous day consumption with accuracy. God forbid it turns red. You want it slightly alkaline. Not deep purple either.

Litmus paper can be got at your pharmacy. Do the test on rising before you’ve eaten or drunk any thing. Cut a piece off and pee on it. Watch the colour change.


You are what you eat all day long. You’ve got a spot somewhere. You’ve put it there. Exzema, you’ve put that there. Itchy dry scalp? That’s your food talking. You are a sum total of what you have been eating and what you haven’t been eating.

The only thing to remember when making food choices is that the alkaline food must tip the plate over. Two thirds to one third in favour of the alkaline foods.

All grains are acid forming. Spelt, wheat, rye, amaranthe, quinoa, corn oats, rice,barley, kamut…. But I eat them every day. The trick is balance. When I wake up in the morning and feel for a lovely slice of toasted homemade sourdough multigrain bread with chopped nuts and seeds (which is unusual as a glass of lemon water and a lovely mango keeps me till lunch) I don’t hesitate. As long as I match that slice of bread with twice as much fruit I am doing fine. I love bread and I adore nuts. I thin it would be a shame not to take full advantage of earth’s bounty.

I apply the same rule to lunch and dinner. And snacks. A great way to achieve that balance easily is to either eat carb with veges or protein with veges. Then you can see the balance. A plate is only so big. And if it has to be heaped with rice and chicken where do you have enough space for the veges? And eating like this allows you to eat more often. Yum yum and not get fat. Once your tummy tells you its emptied you can go for the other thing you wanted to eat earlier with some fruit. And there’s no guilt. I eat crisps but I have a carrot to go with it. It’s not the potaoes I’m afraid of, they’re alkaline. It’s the sunflower oil which isn’t. it’s acid forming.

One warning, you will find yourself going to the toilet at every meal. Which is good and regular. It is sometimes embarrassing when I sit down to eat with my boys. One quarter way through one gets up and goes to the loo. The then other. They then wash their hands and return to the table. Invariably.

So that’s it? Basically. Check out the website


There you’ll find a full list of foods rated according to their acidity or alkalinity.

Follow on two part to tips and tricks

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Alkalise or die!!! Part two


If you’ve been having regular outbreaks you have an acid build up which will take a while to be neutralised and peed or perspired out until you become outbreak free. To speed up the process you need to do a cleanse. Which will give you an alkaline slate to start on.

The best kind of cleanse it an alkaline cleanse. The easiest is one which tastes great. WATERMELONS Watermelons are in season. Eat them all day long. Only that, and for as long as you can and drink copious amounts of alkaline water. Something with a PH above 7. Your nose will run, your bladder won’t stop filling up and if you can work out a sweat go for it. The easiest way to work out a sweat is to sit in your bath tap as hot as you can bear it with a pot of ginger tea, or any herbal tea. Get some bicarbonate of soda, empty half of it into the tup get some Epsom salts pour 250 grams into the tub soak and release toxins. Do this for as many days as you can. If you get hungry eat, this is not about staving yourself. All things in moderation. And you don’t want to stress your body and bring on an outbreak.

The Aerobic Oxygen Cleanse.

Very easy. I did this and still ate normally. Wake up in the morning put twenty drops of aerobic oxygen in one litre of water. Drink all. I don’t like the taste of aerobic oxygen in water so I put the twenty drops in some juice and drink the wate afterr. A bit of lemon juice in the water would only help. Get ready to pee your toxins out. Repeated the oxygen and juice every three hours. Oxygen in juice then water. If your detox symptoms are too strong, nausea, etc go slower. But be prepared for a runny nose and non stop pee stops. You’re cleaning house.

The maintenance cleanse

Grow your own wheat grass. Extremely detoxifying and alkalising and immune system fortifying. Get a towel, put it in a dish. Pour some grains in. Soak the towel. Cover it all up. Water it every couple o hours. In one day you’ll see the sprouts. Continue keeping it damp till the shoots appear. Open it up to the light and watch it grow. Chew the juice out of the grass. Ok there are more professional ways to do this but it tastes as good and the benefits are the same.


Drink lots of herbal teas

I like my teas spicy. And there’s a lovely Yogi tea with cinnamon, ginger and pepper which just does it for me. Most spices are very alkalising and that you’re drinking it with water just helps to flush out the neutralised wastes.

The boys will be back in two minute so I’ll wind up. This is it. Nothing complicated. It’s all in your supermarket. Wheat berries in your health food store. I’m off to the supermarket later to get some watermelons. All this talk just makes me want to cleanse.

Reading Material

Reverse Aging Sang Whang

The Ph Miracle Robert Young and Shirley Young

Never an Outbreak William Farrel

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My process...

Well Ive been researching but as well as that Ive been experimenting with what Ive been researching!

After my very 1st OB, the sores had just healed but I still was a little sensitive and sore THEN I started to get a 2nd OB (didnt know that this was another OB until got the sores again)

I had just started Barley wheat grass and Lysine mix (625mcg/Vit C/Zinc) both in the morning, started just before the 2nd OB sores were there. I'm now on about day 4 or 5 of the Barley wheat grass and Lysine and Im trying hard to work on reducing my acid intake and increasing my alkaline intake. So far my 2nd OB has been sore but only ery very minimal compared to the 1st terrifying one.

Now this could be how my 2nd OB would have been already however it seems to be going through the process quite fast. And as I dont want to have to take anti-viral treatment the rest of my life, Im hoping my alkaline build up will keep H OBs away forever as soon as this one is over :)

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oh yes of course it is!! lol

however - i fully inform partners of the risks and consequences, and if they decide they want to risk it i def aint gonna feel guilty about it.

dont get me wrong, if she did end up getting it id be sad about it...

lol - its so nice to be loved!!!

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I dont want to have to take anti-viral treatment the rest of my life, Im hoping my alkaline build up will keep H OBs away forever as soon as this one is over :)

I know who wants to be a medicine cabinet forever? A great boost for you Negan darling would be to cleanse, that way you neutralise loads of acid build up pee or perspire it out and start a fresh, the diet is just maintenance. Of course simply changing your diet wil achieve the same thing but it will take longer. Me I like to eat well, leave space for the days when I just can't be too bothered, Then one day get out of bed and say think I'll do a cleanse.

Gutted, boy don't I know how wonderful it is to be loved. And sex, oh free guiltless sex, orgasms, multiple ones, just sends me into a frenzy thinking about the the limitedless possibilities. I was thinking today about the story, Beauty and the Beast. Well you know what, we're all beasts waiting for that special someone to see through all that and love us unconditionally and to repay them with the beautoful person whom we are inside out. Don't know much about you but from your posts youb seem like a great guy. Lucky girl!

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Negan, I forgot to mention sweating is a great way of geting rid of the acid overload. You can do it at your gym is you're so inclined. Me, I get it done quite effectively in the bath tub with a nice hot pot of tea as I take off layer upon layer of dead skin cells. The fun! If we don't see you on the forums for a while we'll know what you are up to.

Winki winks


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Extremly interesting stuff. I read on the internet that watermelon promotes herpes OBs for some bs reason but I guess that is just that, bullshit. I feel however that one shouldnt make their whole diet anti herpes but advice on good things to add to it is always great. Any research articles on this would be very welcome. And yes less OBs means less shedding, people need to stop over worrying about asymptomatic shedding. Lets put it this way, if you know all the OB signs AND use condoms, you are quite unlikely to infect someone.

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On 2007-07-24 at 6:57 PM, Christy C said:



If you want to bring on an outbreak drink cola. It has an acidity of 2.5. it would take 32 glasses of alkaline water with a PH of ten to neutralise one glass of cola.

If you want to stomp an outbreak squeeze lemons into your water. They have an extremely alkalising effect in the body.

Beer has a PH of 2.5 Guess you wouldn’t want to drink this everyday. Hard spirits are also very acid forming. And so to any drink sweetened with artificial sweeteners or refined sugar.

Ok so I´ve been thinking a little bit about this now. I like the idea of improving alkaline in your blood but I think going nuts with keeping it on a targeted level might be overdoing it and possibly cause other issues. For one, getting enough protein especially as a male and especially if you are working out seems to be close to impossible since pretty much none of the regular protein sources seem to be allowed. Like you mentioned, sweating etc. gets rid of acid.

So the quote about 32 glasses of alkaline or whatever to make up for one glass of cola. I get how you mean with the math here, it´s like trying to keep a movie rating at 9, takes a lot of 10 votes to make up for one 1 vote. Perhaps for people who suffer extremly from constant OBs, going crazy with this could be a good thing to try. For anyone else however, I think it would be smarter in that case to target a slightly lower PH level than what is suggested here but still try to improve from where you are now. Because I Am assuming that it isnt a line where the viruses cross and die but rather an eviroment that becomes worse and worse for them as you move up the scale?

I believe strongly that the best way to beat herpes is to not think about it so much and that the best diet is to make sure to always eat so you dont go around worrying about that all food is bad for you. There are also quotes in here about how people dont want to have to take a pill every day for the rest of their lives, as bad as that might sound, it definitely sounds easier than going to the extreme with alkaline levels like this.

Dont take my criticism the wrong way though, I think this sounds great and awesome on so many levels. I Am just saying that in reality we should probably use this to find ways to improve rather than trying to take away things that makes life worth living. Making a habbit out of lemon water, fruit shakes with very low or no amounts of added sugar and eating more fruit and vegetables and working out more are great things to take away from this.

When it comes to alchohol, although it makes sense to stop trying to get drunk every weekend if you get GHSV, you still might not want to take away alchohol from your life entirely. So if beer is the worst thing to drink for that, maybe we should discuss what the best alternatives are if you feel like consuming some alchohol.

Last of all lets not forget that herpes is very common, 75-80% HSV1 rate in adults and 20-40%+ HSV2 are numbers that are relatively common for a nation to have even outside of African territory. The massive majority of these people go every day of their life without giving this virus a single thought.

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