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    • WilsoInAus
      I am not sure that is the correct interpretation. Your antigen levels are quite high indicating that the lymphocytes did not stop the replication of the antigen. One of your dilutions is also negative. Hence overall this would appear to be a negative result. Note that IgG does not measure activity of the virus, it measures whether there are a specific antibody to the virus in your blood.
    • WilsoInAus
      Great news @Stolo868 hopefully you are now able to put this behind you.  I am not quite sure what the barb is about though, there are no doctors here, self appointed or otherwise, only people trying to help you reach rational decisions on the basis of your experience and testing. If you think you received inappropriate comments from anyone then let us know and they will be addressed. Hey @Just a human being My understanding of how the test works is that antigen cells (the virus) are placed in an growth-rich environment and allowed to replicate. If your blood has the lymphocytes then they will be detected and the growth of the antigen will be restrained. Hence for a positive, you need to see high values of lymphocytes and low values of antigen.
    • Southwestrancher
      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12325-019-00995-6
    • Stolo868
      Above 2 is positive. Compare to IGG it measures activity of virus. It’s recommended in Europe for seronegative people with ongoing symptoms and those with immune deficiency.  Basically mine is positive for type 1and negative for type 2 which means my t-lymphocytes had contact with hsv1 in the past. 
    • Just a human being
      I do not wish to engage with the difficult politics on this forum regarding rare difficulty in some subsets with diagnosis or debates there in, but could you please explain the LTT test your numbers and your professional opinions in regards to this test, pros and cons of this test and how and why it may be recommended in some cases. I realise the care that needs to be taken as sometimes one will encounter some with irrational fear of HSV. In no way am I suggesting your case as such. 
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Cas9
2 hours ago, Mr Fasting said:

It's curable a friend of mine cured her's and she was HSV2. Takes alot of effort and commitment 

It's not currently curable.

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Mr Fasting
On 8/11/2019 at 12:42 AM, Cas9 said:

It's not currently curable.

Maybe not with doctor's medication but with fasting, colonic's yes it is i have seen the proof!

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WilsoInAus
1 hour ago, Mr Fasting said:

Maybe not with doctor's medication but with fasting, colonic's yes it is i have seen the proof!

Praise the Lord for the healing powers of colonics ... and peppermint foot scrubs.

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Mr Fasting

I'm amazed people do not think outside the box and to go to great efforts to reply to me saying "it's not curable" I simply cannot understand. If you truly believe Western Medicine and they say it's not curable then whatever they claim in the future you will live your life with their scientific proof. I simply have posted here to hear from like minded people who are juicing and doing colonics to see what their results are. People who have had cancer have cured it with a alternative lifestyle becoming vegan etc so if cancer is cureable who can't you open your mind and just think could hsv be curable? did you know Dr Sebi was taken to court because he claimed he cured someone with Aids? He turned up with 25 people who he cured of all illnesses and was let off. So please spare me your thought's of "It's not curable" as I will never belive that. Unless you have some experiences with juicing and colonics you wish to share then do not comment on this thread. Will no longer reply to closed minded sad people like yourselves.

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WilsoInAus

No, Sebi was a fraud. This article is an interesting summary.

https://www.thebody.com/article/dr-sebi-did-not-cure-hiv-nipsey-hussle-documentary

If you’re basing the possibility of ‘cures’ on Sebi, I’ve got a car for sale that’s had one careful lady driver!

Its simply fact that of the 40 billion people who have ever had HSV 1/2, not one eradicated it from their body.

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Mr Fasting
On 8/25/2019 at 9:21 PM, WilsoInAus said:

No, Sebi was a fraud. This article is an interesting summary.

https://www.thebody.com/article/dr-sebi-did-not-cure-hiv-nipsey-hussle-documentary

If you’re basing the possibility of ‘cures’ on Sebi, I’ve got a car for sale that’s had one careful lady driver!

Its simply fact that of the 40 billion people who have ever had HSV 1/2, not one eradicated it from their body.

I know 2 people who have cured themselves, if I return after a year and state I tested negative will you believe me? Most likely "no" you will still say there is no cure or it's a mistake or some other excuse. How sad you will live with herpes forever because you "trust" the system. Goodluck and Goodbye nothing more I have to say to you.

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WilsoInAus
2 hours ago, Mr Fasting said:

I know 2 people who have cured themselves, if I return after a year and state I tested negative will you believe me? Most likely "no" you will still say there is no cure or it's a mistake or some other excuse. How sad you will live with herpes forever because you "trust" the system. Goodluck and Goodbye nothing more I have to say to you.

You do not know two people who have cured themselves. That’s fake.

Not one of 40 billion people who have ever had herpes have cured themselves of HSV 1/2.

It is not sad to live with herpes at all. That’s why this website exists, to spread the word!

Good luck with your beliefs. nothing more I have to say to you.

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Mr Fasting
On 8/27/2019 at 7:39 PM, WilsoInAus said:

You do not know two people who have cured themselves. That’s fake.

Not one of 40 billion people who have ever had herpes have cured themselves of HSV 1/2.

It is not sad to live with herpes at all. That’s why this website exists, to spread the word!

Good luck with your beliefs. nothing more I have to say to you.

Maybe it is not sad for you to live with herpes, but I refuse to live with it and within a year I won't. I do know 2 people who cured themselves it's not fake at all also what would you know there are around 7.5 billion people in the world not 40 billion!

The website exists for treatment  and cures so I am happy to know you have nothing more to say to me because I guess until the medical world states there is a cure that is the only time you would believe it. I on the other hand have tapped into some new knowledge and it's definitely curable. I guess when i do cure myself and come back to tell you you wouldn't believe me either eh?

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WilsoInAus
3 hours ago, Mr Fasting said:

Maybe it is not sad for you to live with herpes, but I refuse to live with it and within a year I won't. I do know 2 people who cured themselves it's not fake at all also what would you know there are around 7.5 billion people in the world not 40 billion!

The website exists for treatment  and cures so I am happy to know you have nothing more to say to me because I guess until the medical world states there is a cure that is the only time you would believe it. I on the other hand have tapped into some new knowledge and it's definitely curable. I guess when i do cure myself and come back to tell you you wouldn't believe me either eh?

Yes I have heaps to say to you, you cannot cure herpes by fasting. This website does NOT exist for people to spread that shit.

The 40 billion refers to those who have EVER lived with herpes, past and present. What’s new about fasting that hasn’t been tried by some of these 40 billion since the dawn of man?

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Mr Fasting
On 9/10/2019 at 10:14 AM, WilsoInAus said:

Yes I have heaps to say to you, you cannot cure herpes by fasting. This website does NOT exist for people to spread that shit.

The 40 billion refers to those who have EVER lived with herpes, past and present. What’s new about fasting that hasn’t been tried by some of these 40 billion since the dawn of man?

Not here to chat to you nor have a debate with you. Simply here to spread the word that I know 2 people who cured themselves through fasting and it takes 1 year of discipline. You have already made up your mind so move on....

Simply interested in talking with like minded people and there experiences!

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WilsoInAus
2 hours ago, Mr Fasting said:

Not here to chat to you nor have a debate with you. Simply here to spread the word that I know 2 people who cured themselves through fasting and it takes 1 year of discipline. You have already made up your mind so move on....

Simply interested in talking with like minded people and there experiences!

No, there is indeed no need to debate or chat on the issue.

Not one, that’s right, zero of the 40 billion people who have ever had herpes have been cured of it, fasting or otherwise.

If there was such a person, then where of God’s Earth is the evidence?

This is not a website for such misinformation and false hope.

I’m sorry but this isn’t the website for you, so move on...

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vzhe

Please don't engage with WilsoInAus and just block him. Instructions for blocking him are in my signature. He's just a troll, and if you reply you give him what he wants.

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Bob8857

This thread has driven me batty to read. So much slightly right slightly wrong information.  First off, the reason OP has had no outbreaks is likely because of Lysine intake in his diet.  Eggs folks.  One egg delivers a whopping 1,000mg (1g) of Lysine.  Try, like OP, eating a few eggs every day and see what happens to your frequency of outbreaks.  You’re effectively mega dosing lysine daily and it’s downright delicious. 
 

Secondly, autophagy does NOT kick in until the 48 hour mark and DOES continue for several days.  Saying otherwise is factually false. The expert on Fasting Autophagy is now Dr Valter Longo and he has shown this in several studies.  So OPs statement that it starts at 10 hours and ends at 36 hours is incorrect.  You must reach 48 hours for this to have any effect whatsoever.  Intermittent fasting does not result in autophagy. 
 

OP is confused.  He stated that the immune system doesn’t tank during a fast, but instead improves.  Nope.  This is the problem with armchair scientists.  It tanks during the fast and improves after refeeding.
 

When you fast the immune system does one thing, and one thing only:  TANK.  Which is why many of you have worse outbreaks trying this.  It’s at the point of REFEEDING that stem cells begin generating new immune cells for you to benefit from.  this does not happen during the fast!  During the fast, the immune system breaks down, goes into autophagy killing damaged and old immune cells, and your immune markers drastically decrease.  Everything is suppressed.
 

This is why I wish someone more informed could’ve commented on the approach of a 3-4 day fast with Valtrex and Lysine and water.  Suppressing / killing the virus while the immune system breaks down.... and then enjoying the regenerated immune system that develops upon refeeding.  
 

Lastly - I was shocked to see the insinuation that a keto diet is preventive for herpes.  There are literally hundreds of reports of people going vegan and / or keto that got markedly worse from it.  Any diet that stresses the immune system by depleting energy sources (healthy carbs), will spell misery. 

Lysine is the holy grail. 

TLDR:  Fasting does kill your immune system so I would only do it with prophylactic measures (Valtrex and Lysine).  EVERYONE here start eating 3 whole eggs every morning (3,000 mg lysine) and chicken in some form and see how you’re faring with outbreaks after a couple weeks.  Coffee?  Chocolate?  Junk food?  Enjoy outbreaks.  You must do at least 48 hours to see the benefits of autophagy.  

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avr

Bob:

It's not the lysine content alone that matters, but the lysine/arginine ratio. And eggs have a ratio around 1, so they should be pretty neutral actually.

I don't know when exactly autophagy sets in, but I wouldn't trust what Valter Longo says about it. He's the guy selling the five day "fasting mimicking diet", so he has a vested interest in people believing that they need to fast or quasi-fast for several days to get it. I've also seen him involved in studies demonizing animal protein, and his own product happens to contain no protein... hmm.

That being said, I have read that glucose inhibits autophagy, so I would imagine that you would get it sooner the more keto-adapted your body is, and the more empty your glucose stores are. If you just eat an ordinary mixed diet and then fast for a few hours, your body will just burn its glucose stores, and then start gluconeogenesis once they are empty. But if you are already doing keto habitually and then start fasting, your body will just immediately switch to burning its fat reserves, and probably to autophagy too?

You really think our immune system needs carbs to function well?? Why would that be? Our bodies can burn fat for energy just as well, in fact burning fat is more efficient than burning glucose and doesn't create oxidative stress. Fat is the body's preferred source of energy. That's why it stores excess energy as fat. Carbs are what plants use to store their energy.

In case it's true what you claim about the hundreds of people whose herpes got worse on keto, then it's more likely that this was from all the arginine and oxalate in the nuts. Things are more complex than you portray them. Apart from lysine and arginine, inflammation can be another trigger, as I have observed for myself. Oxalates can accumulate in the body and are known to cause inflammation, although there seems to be something else in nuts too that gives me short acting inflammation even when I have just small amounts. It's possible to do keto without nuts and other high oxalate foods, though quite restrictive.

@Seekerofhealth: I know I'm a few years late and you probably won't see this post, and you may well have figured it out for yourself by now. But I'll just briefly say it anyway: All your health problems are very typical issues caused by accumulation of oxalate in the body. If you haven't done so yet, join the Trying Low Oxalates Facebook group, do the diet with the help of their list and you will find what you seek!

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@avr

Can you show me where Valter Longo says that it requires several days of fasting to induce autophagy? I'm not saying that he hasn't said that but I didn't find anything where he says it requires several days for autophagy. Maybe you can provide a link.

Your comment regarding Longo, assumes that because he has a vested interest in selling his fasting mimicking diet, we shouldn't trust him. Is that fair? Isn't it possible that the studies he has performed do indeed bear out that his diet works, regardless of the fact that he ALSO happens to financially profit?

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avr

I'm not the one who claimed that he said that, and I don't have time now to read the literature to try and find it. Bob made the claim so if anything then he should be the one to back it up.

I am not doubting that the fasting mimicking diet works to get autophagy going. It's a vegetable soup with some fat, so it makes sense that it would - glucose and protein inhibit autophagy, so just leave them both out and run on fat and micronutrients for a while. It's actually a kind of ketogenic diet, just without protein. Yet at the same time as promoting this specific type of keto diet, he trashes the standard keto diet with arguments that make no sense to me. That's why he seems suspect to me, because it looks like he is trying to tell people that his own expensive product is the only way to get the coveted autophagy, that you can't get it yourself simply through doing keto and/or intermittent fasting. And his product is quite overpriced for a simple vegetable soup, which is all it really is. I can make that myself. Or just boil some veggies and add some butter or a creamy sauce, I used to eat such meals quite often actually before I went carnivore. I must have been getting lots of autophagy then without even realising it.

Yes, it might be that he is right about the onset of autophagy, or half-right if it depends on how keto-adapted you are. But since he has a vested interest, his word should not count as evidence for us. I don't think that's being unfair to him. If Bob wants us to believe it, he needs to provide evidence from a neutral source. @Bob8857 Do you have any better evidence?

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@avr
You said to Bob:
" I don't know when exactly autophagy sets in, but I wouldn't trust what Valter Longo says about it. He's the guy selling the five day "fasting mimicking diet", so he has a vested interest in people believing that they need to fast or quasi-fast for several days to get it. "

I read the above statement as you tying the multi day fasting (Longo's mimicking diet) to obtaining autophagy.

I believe autophagy kicks in, in a day or two, and I don't think Longo believes otherwise. If you read otherwise, let me know. However, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, it takes several days (i.e. at least 5 days) to achieve discernible shrinkage of body organs (and the immune system shrinks also). Then, when you start feeding normally again (for a few days) after the fast, your stem cells kick in and create brand new cells for those organs and the immune system. The stem cells only kick in after fasting for approximately 5 days. The end result is that your organs and immune system return to their normal size, but are better than they were before the fast.

The problem is, most people find it hard to fast for 5+ days. Longo believes that coming up with something that is easier to do and can still generate the benefits of stem cell activation, is of course a good thing. Granted, there's always "suspicion" when someone has a vested interest, but whether he's right about his FMD really depends on what the scientific evidence shows.

If you read or find something different on the topic, let me know. It's an interesting topic. I have been doing the intermittent fasting myself for about a month. My longest fast was 48 hours.

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Well, according to Bob it is about autophagy, not stem cell activation.

Oh and I was going to add something: If you are finding it hard to fast because your body just doesn't seem to function well without food, then you may have some genetic polymorphisms like I do which mean that certain enzymes don't function well when the concentration of their cofactor is low. B Vitamins are frequent cofactors and are flushed out of the body quickly. So try supplementing with a B complex while fasting and see if that helps. The doses should be a few times the RDI, which is too low, but not excessively high because any excess is wasted.

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5 hours ago, avr said:

Well, according to Bob it is about autophagy, not stem cell activation.

Oh and I was going to add something: If you are finding it hard to fast because your body just doesn't seem to function well without food, then you may have some genetic polymorphisms like I do which mean that certain enzymes don't function well when the concentration of their cofactor is low. B Vitamins are frequent cofactors and are flushed out of the body quickly. So try supplementing with a B complex while fasting and see if that helps. The doses should be a few times the RDI, which is too low, but not excessively high because any excess is wasted.

I haven't had any major issues with fasting. Mainly, I make sure I fast for approximately 16 hours per day. I also work out 4-5 days a week. I've done 24 hour fasts a couple of times and a 44 hour fast once. Regarding the 44 hour fast, I could have continued but I decided that was enough for now. No problems except an occasional and mild lightheadedness for a few seconds and/or very mild stomach upset; nothing to stop me from what I was doing.

They say that age has to be considered also. I'm 65 so I'm kind of on the cusp. That said, there haven't been any issues. I also bought a keto meter. I'll be trying out more extended fasts over time; i.e. I would like to kick in stem cell activation.

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