Heat cure

[Achesve]

I've seen brief off shoot reports sort of dealing with this, but not specifically this scenario. Hsv like all viruses, is very sensitive to heat. I have read that heat hinders various components of the virus so that it is non functional or not effective, and in activates it as well.

Theory. Under strictly  monitored circumstances. If you are able to regulate your core body temp with ice or cooling circulatory vests, while submerging your boxer shorts region only, in a bath of approx 120F water (the temperature skin can tolerate without burns) for 20-30 minutes. With 3 or so sessions. In theory, is it possible this could inactivate all latent virus exposed to the heat.  I know that heat penetrates through all layers of dermis and muscle in approx 10-15 min. so it should envelope any nerve clusters in the region as well which harbor latent. 

It would be painful, but if you can tough it out and the virus can't, maybe there's something there. It is the way our body naturally and evolutionarily kills off virus. Via fever and raising the temp. Since this is localized and not systemic, we can just raise the temp in the known region. And raise the specific region's temp higher than a fever since our core temp will be regulated with cooling. 

A virus has no evolutionary reason to need to survive over let's say 115F, it never sees that temperature in any circumstance. So it should be susceptible. 

Thoughts?

DISCLAIMER!!! I am NOT a doctor or medical professional. What I described is potentially VERY dangerous and should not be tried unless under strict medical supervision. 

 

 

[Achesve]

I just want to again stress my disclaimer for some people who may read this and think to jump in a near boiling bathtub. You can DIE within minutes of this, so do NOT try this at home!! Body temp regulation is very dangerous and can cause shock, heart attack, and death. 

Sorry, just wanted to reiterate. 

[dont quit!]

The heat from the hot water will probably cause enough stress to the body to cause 1st/2nd degree burns along with a nice outbreak. 

[Achesve]

Not so. Burns start at 120F. There are articles proving that the heat deactivates or hinders their process. It also produces a heat immune response. Anyone have thoughts on the initial post?

Edited December 16, 2015 by Achesve

[Constant Diplomat]

Maybe if you could raise the water temperature gradually- put a big pot on to boil- but otherwise, getting into that kind of heat would be pain central on the dick and balls. Then again, 48 degrees Celsius isn't that bad. Last week here it was about 46 degrees where I was..... By that standard, couldnt you just stand naked in the sun and let the UV rays and vitamin D knock HSV out the park?

[tom343]

You could also try a car in summer particularly in the desert with no A/C but the problem is getting the internal body temp to a high enough temperature to kill the virus without hurting yourself. 

Edited December 18, 2015 by tom343

[VVK]

Heat shock therapy... it has been done before, but safely, to treat cold sores during prodromal stages - see Herpotherm, which is a device on the market for that purpose (concentrated heat source of about 51 degrees C / 124 degrees F, for four seconds, on a very small target area).

It doesn't get rid of the virus. It just neutralizes an active infection so it doesn't proceed to the stage of visible sores. In the end, the viral DNA is still deep in your nerve cells and will potentially show up again sometime in the right conditions.

Trying to scale this up to the entire boxer shorts region is risky. If this is done (and done right), it's going to be for the purpose of stopping an outbreak or stopping shedding. It won't rid you of HSV for good. Arguably it may make for 0% transmission risk immediately after the treatment, but there's no practical way to be sure.

[Herbfresh]

On 19 December 2015 at 6:32 PM, VVK said:

Heat shock therapy... it has been done before, but safely, to treat cold sores during prodromal stages - see Herpotherm, which is a device on the market for that purpose (concentrated heat source of about 51 degrees C / 124 degrees F, for four seconds, on a very small target area).

It doesn't get rid of the virus. It just neutralizes an active infection so it doesn't proceed to the stage of visible sores. In the end, the viral DNA is still deep in your nerve cells and will potentially show up again sometime in the right conditions.

Trying to scale this up to the entire boxer shorts region is risky. If this is done (and done right), it's going to be for the purpose of stopping an outbreak or stopping shedding. It won't rid you of HSV for good. Arguably it may make for 0% transmission risk immediately after the treatment, but there's no practical way to be sure.

 

So if I have a cold sore around my groin area I can use hatcheck to get rid of it? Cool.

Why ppl don't talk about it then? Seems like a big deal. 

[vzhe]

this sounds like utter and complete bullshit to me. the virus is DNA in your cells.. and way better protected than your own cells. any heat that would hurt the DNA of the virus in your cells would hurt your cells and own DNA. don't do this, it's not working.

[Sanguine108]

I know we all get frustrated with this but acting out to suppress thinking about the virus and biology, however farsighted it may seem, isn't really appropriate.  We are all learning here.

But from my take, extremes in temperatures can cause stress to the overall organism.  Stress increases cortisol. Cortisol decreases immune system function.  HSV is then UNsuppressed because the immune system is down and you then have an outbreak.

I'm still waiting for people to talk about transcending past this and wanting to get others involved in group meditations for enhancing herpes research/cure and/or enhancing human evolution.   Because honestly, those therapeutic vaccines are going to be a waste.   They're a short-term appeasement to an issue that's going to come back.   And then it's dependent on the host's immune system and constitution.  If they're strong, they'll get good results. If they're weak then they'll be upset and probably experience some unforeseen side-effects.

Finding a spiritual outlet and/or teacher is the only way out of this.  Everything else is just getting tangled in the trick of this mess.

[Achesve]

That is incorrect. This is isolated heat exposure. We know what temperatures our bodies can tolerate before going into shock. And as long as the core temp is retained within a fever's parameters, you should be able to isolate the "boxer shorts" with higher temperatures, while cooling the core simultaneously. 

High enough temperatures denature the virus. That's proven. So while a dangerous (and not advised) procedure, technically, it sounds plausible. 

Wear a cooling vest, or something similar. Monitor core body temp. And keep "boxer shorts" region submerged in 116-118f water for 10-20 minutes. ONLY under a doctor's supervision. Multiple sessions. This should heat the exposed area through and through (including ganglion) within that time frame to a similar temp. While cooling vest should keep core temp at a moderately high 101f fever temp. 

Again, I am not a physician. Manipulating body temperature is extremely dangerous and can result in injury or death. Do NOT try. This is merely speculation. 

 

[Sanguine108]

When you go into a hot weather/tank, the superficial vessels expand and the deep vessels constrict.

When you are in cold weather the superficial vessels constrict and the deep vessels expand.

You may be able to kill the virions that are out n' about in the area, but you'll fall short of reaching the nerve roots.   You would have to kill the nerve cells where the virus establishes itself.   Nerves are pretty resilient.

[Constant Diplomat]

What if you permanently numb your genitals? No point killing the virus and then having a useless sex organ.

[vzhe]

there's no way you denature the nerve roots / dorsal root ganglion without killing yourself.

[Achesve]

Why? Nerve roots don't die at 116f. Viruses do. I've done various experiments, and yes, anything submerged in 116f (assuming you are not overweight and have excess fat) will equalize with it's surrounding temp (116f) within 10-20 min. Meaning your nerve roots will be exposed to that temperature, and any latent virus within. 

[Achesve]

Skin doesn't even burn at 116f.

[vzhe]

the virus is IN your cells. it's just a bit of DNA actually floating in the cell. most DNA in your cells is good DNA. if you'd indiscriminately hurt DNA that's in your cells.. well, you'd indiscriminately hurt the DNA that's in your cells. you need to discriminate to have a therapeutic effect without killing your own cells. That's where crispr-cas9 comes in as a programmable homing endonuclease. Kill the virus DNA but not your own DNA.

Edited January 14, 2016 by vzhe