Live Vaccine Thoughts as Therapeutic

[Kurdt01]

For those that do their homework and/or are biolgist/scientists/dr's etc what are your opinions on a Live Vaccine offering a therapeutic benefit? What are the odds of one making things worse? Perhaps catastrophically? I saw that Halfords trial is moving forward...would you be in it? What are your thoughts on Halfords Vaccine? Seems like years ago everyone had a lot of faith in it but not as much now? I was in Genocea...didn't help, made things worse actually. I'm just scared that nothing may help me. 

[tom343]

I don't think anyone can say for sure. Halford says it'll have a therapeutic effect but who knows? I think everyone hopes it will as well as having a prophylactic effect. Genocea on the other hand was built for therapeutic effect but the results showed dosage based levels of performance. You may have received a dud dose. I don't know. Anyway they showed good results upto the levels of antivirals and they've improved the formula so I expect even better results. I know it's frustrating and I am with you but we as people infected have to try things and have guts. You did well done, it didn't pan out this time but you helped in the research. You are a champion. 

 

 I know some people in society have either been given something or their immune system itself can kill the virus. But these people just disappear. I mean this is the same scenario with HIV, I think something like 10-20% of people are immune to HIV. But this was only discovered very recently. Herpes no doubt has the same type of people but the research has been slow and it is only now that we are at least on the brink of having some sort of vaccine. So keep your head up and keep trying things. I definitely am, I was ruled out of admedus last time but if I have another opportunity particularly with an Australia wide test, I will 100% give it a go. We have a responsibility to participate and assist so that at least the next generation will not suffer our horrendous fate and suffering. 

Edited March 7, 2016 by tom343

[Sanguine108]

If you already have the virus then any 'therapeutic vaccine' will be limited.

the live might be more subtler in its effect as it's just the virus. unlike where GEN-003 has many components that cue the immune system to respond.   ...At the same time, vaccines usually have compounds in them that are supposed to cue the immune system to react.

But if you're having some issues from GEN-003 then I'd suggest herbs to restore and mitigate your terrain.

[Kurdt01]

What herbs @Sanguine108? I currently take St Johns Wort and B complex. Over the years I've try just about every natural/internet remedy there is...nothing helps.

[BrazilGuy]

1 hour ago, Sanguine108 said:

If you already have the virus then any 'therapeutic vaccine' will be limited.

the live might be more subtler in its effect as it's just the virus. unlike where GEN-003 has many components that cue the immune system to respond.   ...At the same time, vaccines usually have compounds in them that are supposed to cue the immune system to react.

But if you're having some issues from GEN-003 then I'd suggest herbs to restore and mitigate your terrain.

Doctor Fraser said that his vaccine can clinically cure the illness, and it depends on our immunity response. I have hope on his vaccine.

[Kurdt01]

@Sanguine108 so you think a live vaccine would actually be more mild than GEN3? The research all says it is like 1000 times stronger regarding antibodies and tcell response...I'm no biologist though so I may be wrong about that.

[Sanguine108]

2 hours ago, BrazilGuy said:

Doctor Fraser said that his vaccine can clinically cure the illness, and it depends on our immunity response. I have hope on his vaccine.

I think it can be a slippery slope to get into the negative aspect of all this. ...But from my understanding of Western medicine's idea of a "clinical cure" is that antibodies are not seen for at least 6 months.   Maybe he was referring to using his as a vaccine instead of a therapeutic vaccine?   Honestly, I think his data will start looking like Genocea's data after a while.   But I don't know.   

Also, was this statement on clinical cure recent or earlier when he was doing animal studies?   This whole thing on "our immune response" is more telling of a statement of how "I'm trying not to say worthless" of an approach the therapeutic vaccine is.   Depending on whether the person has a robust and sturdy constitution or if they're in the midst of biological decline is what I hear.   And that decline can be anything, could be because one's parents had them when they were much older, they used a lot of drugs, they ran their body into the ground, whereas there are those who seem to have won the genetic lottery (I believe in karma, though.  We earn everything) and never get sick, they're the asymptomatic folks who 'unknowingly' spread the virus.  

People start talking about how they take valtrex and haven't had an outbreak in 1, 2, 5 years and then they're having non-stop outbreaks.   I don't know the stressors in their life.  But the reported side-effects of the Rx antivirals, as well as the toxicology reports, are very telling of the adverse, long-term effects some of these Rx antivirals.

 

2 hours ago, Kurdt01 said:

think a live vaccine would actually be more mild than GEN3? The research all says it is like 1000 times stronger regarding antibodies and tcell response...

...I think the side-effects will be milder because the live vaccine will be more specific to what it's training the immune system to identify and attack, whereas GEN-003 ( someone correct me if I'm wrong) is composed of various segments of the virus so serve as antigens for the body to respond to.  Since they're not all put together and it's just like dumping a bunch of parts/antigens into the body then there could be non-specific/auto-immune type effects.   Idk, I'm just conjecturing.   

I know that the participants of Admedus have signed a silence/privacy thing but I would love to hear their personal feedback whenever that time comes.

Scientists gotta make it look good on paper, doing it in a petri dish and animals specifically bred to be identical... That's great.  That's not a wild-type scenario.   Humans are more of a wild-type, where there's a range of physiologic-immune-whatever biodiversity going on.   So when people like you and some others say how their experience with GEN-003 wasn't that amazing and then there's 1 or 2 people raving about it then that's the kind of point I'm trying to make.     And these are the same type of testimonials I read when some people went over to Russia and Italy to get their HSV vaccine, which is disenchanted.    But I don't know, there are outliers that don't respond like the normal population.

[Sanguine108]

It's hard to tell what everyone's specific situation is.  The more people talk about themselves and their health throughout life, what agitates an outbreak then I can make better guesses as to what's going on.   But without seeing the person, hearing the person, looking at their tongue, feeling their pulse, palpating reflexes and the channels, I fall really short of making any clear, confident claims.

But goat colostrum is probably the safest thing I've found.  It is also the most recent thing I've messed around with.

St .John's wort is great but many people have hang-ups with it, the quality varies so much between brands. Adulterants are a thing in herbal medicine, so the brand is really important. 

but I'll say this... I had twisting, stabbing pains in my testicles start to happen the first 2 months.   I had a formula for 'stagnation' in the lower areas and it helped.  but it was way too strong and wasn't sustainable.   Japanese knotweed is a chinese herb that's indicated for issues down below, especially w STDs.  I'm holding back a lot of info bc I'll just talk forever.   But anyhow, I had a resveratrol supplement that used japanese knotweed as the source. I took 1 and it literally cleared all the crap going on down below.   Like literally roto-rooted whatever was obstructed and whatnot.   Since then, the issues down there have been minor.  And I would use SJW to mitigate them.   Then I found the homeopathic nosodes, HRPZ Drops and that drastically reduced my symptoms. 

I'd still get the sharp tinges down my shaft every now n' then but whatever.    months later, I start thinking about colostrum again.  I wanted to try Goat Colostrum bc the bovine was probably not a good gauge.  So I tried it.  And I got the best night's rest.  ...parasympathetic... hormone-prehormone-immune-whatever of goat colostrum and woke up the next day feeling amazing.   And then I noticed I haven't had those sharp tinges down my shaft.   I still get very subtle sensations, they're like inguinal lymph area but way better than before.

Apologies for just rambling on with that.   back to the point with the wild-card.   It's hard to tell because people who are predisposed to experiencing "negative side-effects" of things usually have other stuff going on.   Stuff that a western medical practitioner isn't trained to identify or have the tools to assess... That is, unless you're on the threshold of the emergency room.   What I was interluding with before was that herbal medicine can help patch up the deficiencies and clear out/harmonize the excesses, addressing the root of the problem instead of the manifestations.   But the wildcard isn't that uncommon when there's a greater vocabulary to assess things with, which is something that western medicine lacks tremendously.