Chances of Transmiting GHSV1 to your OHSV1+ Partner

[Seeker1960]

My partner has OHSV1 and has had it for many years. She gets  a cold sore once or twice a year if at all. I now have GHSV1 that I contracted from an extra-marital encounter with a coworker. Things were rocky in my relationship and life during that time so I'm not looking for the judment of what I did to deserve it.

I'm trying to move forward with my wife and things have greatly improved and I am makinq progress at being a better person and husband. The question is for those who have GHSV1 and how has it affected your sex life? I know that if I had GHSV2 and my wife was HSV- the question would be easily answered in terms of transmission risks and precautions. I wan't to know about the risk of transmitting HSV1 through genital to genital sex with someone who has OHSV1 already and well established? I Know there is a risk but some say its almost zero. I am trying to verify that is the case with person experieces.

The researchers say different things. One says no way but others say yes it is possible.

Who to believe? Anyone have personal experience one way or the other?

[Sf9311]

Not sure if this is the answer you're looking for...but I have GHSV-1 and my ex boyfriend who is HSV- (who was aware of my diagnosis) and I had mostly unprotected sex and he never contracted it. He was a pretty skeptical person and has been tested a couple of times. Just my personal experience.

[kinlea]

What is ohsv?

[LucyLevi]

Hi kinlea

OHSV is often used as shorthand for Oral HSV and GHSV is used for Genital HSV

Regards

Lucy

 

[Atrapasueños]

@Seeker1960 It depends on the immune system of each, I have ohsv for a kiss, and at 2 months I transmitted it ghsv, it was not necessary for me to have sex or oral sex, the risk is latent

 

Depende del sistema inmunológico de cada uno, yo tengo ohsv por un beso, y a los 2 meses me lo transmiti ghsv, no fue necesario que yo tuviera sexo o sexo oral, el riesgo es latente

[MoniqueLow]

On 30/12/2016 at 8:47 PM, Sf9311 said:

Not sure if this is the answer you're looking for...but I have GHSV-1 and my ex boyfriend who is HSV- (who was aware of my diagnosis) and I had mostly unprotected sex and he never contracted it. He was a pretty skeptical person and has been tested a couple of times. Just my personal experience.

Hi, do you have any symptoms? I read it sheds 2x more if you're symptomatic. Thanks.

[WilsoInAus]

56 minutes ago, MoniqueLow said:

Hi, do you have any symptoms? I read it sheds 2x more if you're symptomatic. Thanks.

That may well be the case, but it has been shown that shedding rates are the similar during asymptomatic periods. That means that outside of outbreaks, regardless of frequency, shedding looks similar between people on average.

[kinlea]

I have been wondering this too. My boyfriend has OHSV-1 and I ended up with GHSV-1. He did not have an outbreak at the time. What are the chances of giving him GHSV-1? I don't want to pass it back. 

[WilsoInAus]

They are essentially zero! There is no documented case of a male with an established oral infection obtaining a genital infection. Although the chances are probably not quite zero, it would take some extraordinary circumstances for an infection to occur.

[kinlea]

Thanks for the reply. I've been really worried about passing it back to him. 

[kinlea]

53 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

They are essentially zero! There is no documented case of a male with an established oral infection obtaining a genital infection. Although the chances are probably not quite zero, it would take some extraordinary circumstances for an infection to occur.

Is there research on this? If so, how do I find it?

[WilsoInAus]

There is no research, which is because it is too uncommon. Here is a quote from Terri Warren, which she has often written about.

Terri Warren writes...

"So since you have well established HSV 1 infection, I think it is extremely unlikely you will get HSV 1 in a new location. In 33 year of practice specializing in genital and oral herpes, I have seen this happen MAYBE once – the history was a bit iffy for that one – so you can see that it is extremely uncommon. WE have no statistics on this because we just don’t see it. I also asked Anna Wald about this recently because I wanted to be certain my information was still correct and she concurred.

Terri"

[Disc0rdant]

Good to know.  Wondered that for myself...

[kinlea]

On 5/11/2017 at 0:07 AM, WilsoInAus said:

There is no research, which is because it is too uncommon. Here is a quote from Terri Warren, which she has often written about.

Terri Warren writes...

"So since you have well established HSV 1 infection, I think it is extremely unlikely you will get HSV 1 in a new location. In 33 year of practice specializing in genital and oral herpes, I have seen this happen MAYBE once – the history was a bit iffy for that one – so you can see that it is extremely uncommon. WE have no statistics on this because we just don’t see it. I also asked Anna Wald about this recently because I wanted to be certain my information was still correct and she concurred.

Terri"

Thank you! 

[MoniqueLow]

On 10/05/2017 at 8:51 PM, kinlea said:

Thanks for the reply. I've been really worried about passing it back to him. 

I would not trust Wilslon or Terri Warren. I wonder where the statistics come from... For example on Halford's website you can read the post from desperate man who gave his wife ghsv 1 due to his ohsv 1 and then got it back on his genitals. He's crying for help there as he has very bad symptoms. It shows few facts which so called experts deny. You can definitely get it even if you have long term ohsv 1 (my case and few cases here on HC, one girl paid 90$ to T.Warren to hear it's impossible to have it while she's ohsv 1, but yeah, she has ghsv 1) and you can get the same strain of hsv 1(typically they explain you are reinfected by different hsv 1 strain, but this shows you can get your own strain). I don't believe statistics as research was done poorly and long time ago. All experts repeat the same song 1000x without updating the info. Google reinfection by hsv 1 and you will find many many stories from REAL people. I couldn't believe I got it on my genitals when I have ohsv so long (should be almost zero chance, right Wilslon!), but reality is different than statistics. I'm not definitely rare occasion. Many people don't report it online, so I assume there are many unknown cases. More over I actually think you are more susceptible to contract the disease and show symptoms when you have symptomatic ohsv. It shows your genetic is prone to fail with hsv. Some people are immune to hsv (my expartners) and I suffer with ghsv 1 greatly although I should have antibodies already.

Statistics is stupid. For you it's you either get it or not. Statistics says there is a 4% chance to get any ghsv a year from infected partner (sex 3 times a week). There are thousands of people getting it through one night stand. So y yeah , I recommend Be careful.

[MoniqueLow]

On 10/05/2017 at 10:07 PM, WilsoInAus said:

There is no research, which is because it is too uncommon. Here is a quote from Terri Warren, which she has often written about.

Terri Warren writes...

"So since you have well established HSV 1 infection, I think it is extremely unlikely you will get HSV 1 in a new location. In 33 year of practice specializing in genital and oral herpes, I have seen this happen MAYBE once – the history was a bit iffy for that one – so you can see that it is extremely uncommon. WE have no statistics on this because we just don’t see it. I also asked Anna Wald about this recently because I wanted to be certain my information was still correct and she concurred.

Terri"

That girl who paid 90$ to Terri Warren to hear BS she can't get it on her genitals when she has ohsv, wrote me the only expert who told her it's simply possible to get reinfected is Anna Wald. The same with lady at STD clinic in my case, she told me it's very possible because she has seen many cases. So please stop that stupid agenda. No wonder there's ghsv epidemy with such "experts". 

[Seeker1960]

11 minutes ago, MoniqueLow said:

I would not trust Wilslon or Terri Warren. I wonder where the statistics come from... For example on Halford's website you can read the post from desperate man who gave his wife ghsv 1 due to his ohsv 1 and then got it back on his genitals. He's crying for help there as he has very bad symptoms. It shows few facts which so called experts deny. You can definitely get it even if you have long term ohsv 1 (my case and few cases here on HC, one girl paid 90$ to T.Warren to hear it's impossible to have it while she's ohsv 1, but yeah, she has ghsv 1) and you can get the same strain of hsv 1(typically they explain you are reinfected by different hsv 1 strain, but this shows you can get your own strain). I don't believe statistics as research was done poorly and long time ago. All experts repeat the same song 1000x without updating the info. Google reinfection by hsv 1 and you will find many many stories from REAL people. I couldn't believe I got it on my genitals when I have ohsv so long (should be almost zero chance, right Wilslon!), but reality is different than statistics. I'm not definitely rare occasion. Many people don't report it online, so I assume there are many unknown cases. More over I actually think you are more susceptible to contract the disease and show symptoms when you have symptomatic ohsv. It shows your genetic is prone to fail with hsv. Some people are immune to hsv (my expartners) and I suffer with ghsv 1 greatly although I should have antibodies already.

Statistics is stupid. For you it's you either get it or not. Statistics says there is a 4% chance to get any ghsv a year from infected partner (sex 3 times a week). There are thousands of people getting it through one night stand. So y yeah , I recommend Be careful.

Excellent response Monique! I agree 100%

[MoniqueLow]

On 10/05/2017 at 10:23 PM, Disc0rdant said:

Good to know.  Wondered that for myself...

Please read my posts above. I'm in discordant relationship and I worry a lot because reinfection is simply very possible. Don't listen to"experts" please.

[MoniqueLow]

Maybe "experts" should start to listen to REAL people instead of repeating old facts for 1000x. The same with symptoms different than obvious genital lesions! Maybe then there would be end of ghsv epidemy finally and cure for us who already suffer!

@WilsoInAus for you is ghsv hobby, for me it's everyday pain! Guess who has more motivation to find out real facts!

Edited June 7, 2017 by MoniqueLow

[MoniqueLow]

Although ghsv 1 is now 1/2 of the cases of ghsv, it still remains unexplored by scientific research.

From Anna Wald's article about genital-genital transmission of ghsv 1:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2564733/

....While the propensity for both clinical and subclinical reactivation is dramatically lower for genital HSV‐1 than for genital HSV‐2, the neonatal data suggest that when reactivation recurs among HSV‐1 infected women during delivery, the virus is more likely to be transmitted with an estimated relative risk of ∼60.²³ Thus the infectivity, once present, appears greater for HSV‐1 than for HSV‐2. We do not know whether the increased risk of transmission also applies to sexual transmission. However, among 48 source partners of people with documented newly acquired genital HSV‐1, HSV‐1 was isolated from the genital area in seven and from the oral area in three (unpublished data). This suggests that genital to genital HSV‐1 transmission is potentially not uncommon. .....

 

Edited June 7, 2017 by MoniqueLow

[WilsoInAus]

3 hours ago, MoniqueLow said:

Maybe "experts" should start to listen to REAL people instead of repeating old facts for 1000x. The same with symptoms different than obvious genital lesions! Maybe then there would be end of ghsv epidemy finally and cure for us who already suffer!

@WilsoInAus for you is ghsv hobby, for me it's everyday pain! Guess who has more motivation to find out real facts!

Then please find out some more facts.

Do you have genital HSV-1? At the moment you only believe you do?

Where is the evidence that HSV-1 even causes the symptoms you speak of?

What are the implications if you don't have genital HSV-1 for you and readers here?

[MoniqueLow]

2 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

Then please find out some more facts.

Do you have genital HSV-1? At the moment you only believe you do?

Where is the evidence that HSV-1 even causes the symptoms you speak of?

What are the implications if you don't have genital HSV-1 for you and readers here?

See my post above. Unfortunately there is not much research on ghsv 1. Don't ask me why, I would like to know too when it's already 1/2 new cases of ghsv. See in Anna Wald's article, she writes:....we don't know.... at least she's honest and doesn't mislead people.

You really remind me of person driving to the river because her GPS showed her there's a bridge :-) You trust more what you read than what's real. I trust people who have genital herpes themselves more than so called experts. It has proven to be good strategy for me. Thanks to some people here like @Seeker1960 I could survive the worst part of my symptoms in the beginning. Otherwise I would think I was dying or getting disabled. I'm grateful for many advice from others. I didn't get any useful information from you, sorry. I don't blame you as your only source are old herpes books and articles written with ctrl+C, ctrl+V style...

There are some studies though hidden on internet which could open your eyes. I think there is no point to show them to you as you will keep going as good old record.... you don't need to care, you have no ghsv, you don't suffer yourself. I'm giving up on you as many did before. Bye!

[WilsoInAus]

I have read more herpes papers than most people here. They are not hidden if on the net after all!

The papers you raise prove or suggest nothing about your particular circumstance.

It is not fact that you have genital HSV-1, you at least need to be honest about that and not mislead people - please follow your own advice.

I really hope you are able to get out there and address your symptoms and discover what is actually causing them and write about it here for the benefit of those that follow.

Good luck, I truly mean that!

[MoniqueLow]

1 hour ago, WilsoInAus said:

I have read more herpes papers than most people here. They are not hidden if on the net after all!

The papers you raise prove or suggest nothing about your particular circumstance.

It is not fact that you have genital HSV-1, you at least need to be honest about that and not mislead people - please follow your own advice.

I really hope you are able to get out there and address your symptoms and discover what is actually causing them and write about it here for the benefit of those that follow.

Good luck, I truly mean that!

Well, I've made my opinion on your herpes knowledge after I read your comment about hsv+nerves here:

If hsv keeps nerves healthy according to you, then I really don't have anything to discuss with you. Sorry. Find different disease as a hobby please.

Edited June 7, 2017 by MoniqueLow

[Lisajd]

I think whats important is to remember that herpes is unpredictable and each person is different.  You decide whether you want to take the risk or not of getting a second strain or if you have ghsv1 passing it to someone who has ohsv1.