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How long after your first ob and starting antivirals is it safe to have sex?

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WilsoInAus

When your sores have healed completely and you've been on antivirals for about a week.

Note that if your partner has the same type as you then you technically cannot pass it back and forth.

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Sanguine108
14 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

Note that if your partner has the same type as you then you technically cannot pass it back and forth.

just save yourself the embarrassment of saying things like this that have been proven otherwise.

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Whyyyyy
8 minutes ago, Sanguine108 said:

just save yourself the embarrassment of saying things like this that have been proven otherwise.

If you both have hsv2 genitally you can't pass it back and forth. Same, if you both have oral hsv1 you can't pass it back and forth...probably not a good idea to have sex or anything with sores still (who would want to?)

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Sanguine108

It'd be nice if it were that cut and dry but there's a study that shows otherwise.

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Miha
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It'd be nice if it were that cut and dry but there's a study that shows otherwise.

Like what, can you clarify it a bit. Do you mean infecting other body parts other than the initial site of infection? Like if you touch a sore and then touch your eye etc?

 

Or do you mean slightly different strains of the virus? Like they describe in this research:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2238078/#!po=35.0000

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Seaturtle3

Thank you guys, I had ghsv2... It's been two weeks sense I started suppressive therapy... I guess I'm just kinda scared... But again thank you this was helpful! 

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Sanguine108

well, yes and it depends.   Yes to infected w different sub-strains.  https://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-04-viruses-reveal-history.html

Not trying to instill any frustration but just because someone else has the same 'type' of HSV doesn't make them an automatic match for promiscuous sex.  Love them and want to be with them, regardless.

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WilsoInAus
8 hours ago, Sanguine108 said:

It'd be nice if it were that cut and dry but there's a study that shows otherwise.

What study?

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Sanguine108
On 6/14/2017 at 6:30 PM, WilsoInAus said:

What study?

The first sentence of the article.

"The genomes of two distinct strains of the virus that causes the common lip cold sore, herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), have been identified within an individual person...    

The research by an international team led by Moriah L. Szpara, assistant professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at Penn State University, will be published in the May 2016 issue of the journal Virology."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-04-viruses-reveal-history.html#jCp

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WilsoInAus

Yes many people do, but the evidence collectively suggests that infection with both or more strains occurs at the same time or a small period of time maybe. Once established there is no evidence you can be infected with another so termed strain.

The point stands. If you have an established infection then the chances of a further infection with the same type, different strain or not, is negligible to zero.

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WilsoInAus

What you have provided is an opinion article, it isn't a source. A guy who has come back from the brothels of Korea with two strains of HSV-1 doesn't even warrant consideration as even remotely possibly  

There are no sources as it is not known to happen with sufficient frequency to even be able to study. The proposition therefore holds that autoinnoculation or similar such as infection with a different strain is therefore negligible to zero.

The only studies that I am aware of pertain to the topic of children presenting to a doctor with genital herpes, which happens more than anyone would wish to think. Doctors are required to report such findings to child protection authorities in most countries. Hence there are many available cases internationally. These cases of course need to be investigated as to cause. You'd think that if autoinnoculation were feasible that there would be some that have a case conclusion that infection from an established oral infection has occurred.

On how many occasions has this occurred, the world over?

Not one.

 

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Sanguine108
2 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

What you have provided is an opinion article, it isn't a source.

So science journalism that's based off of peer-reviewed research is just an opinion?  Your posts are more opinion based.

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WilsoInAus

Yes the article is peer reviewed. Did you read it, of course not. If you did you would know:

- the article makes no assertion that the strains were acquired separately

- acknowledges that the samples and testing was undertaken in the 1960s and the records are incomplete and could be mixed up.

That's not opinion.

Again it stands, the chance of being infected with the same type (same or different strain) once you have an established infection is negligible to zero. 

No amount of light or heavy skimming of the internet and busted arse interpretations on your part is going to change this fact.

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Sanguine108
24 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

Again it stands, the chance of being infected with the same type (same or different strain) once you have an established infection is negligible to zero. 

that is your baseless opinion.  I understand you'd like things to be black and white but they're not.  You want to believe that nature/evolution has produced ONLY two recognizable combinations for HSV1 and HSV2.  All these diagnostic tests are only looking for conserved regions within HSV1 or 2, nothing about their expressed phenotype, nothing about the surface protein/antigen composition. The immune system makes antibodies depending on what it's exposed to and while it may make antibodies, essentially changing the lock for one type of pathogen, a similar pathogen with a different key composition/configuration could/would slip by.

I've heard a person talk about how they had oral HSV-1 for 10 years, had an outbreak, went to the bathroom (in the am), touched his sore, touch his penis and then started breaking downstairs.  And this came up because some shlomo, know-it-all was proclaiming that once you get oral HSV-1, you don't have to worry about spreading it elsewhere.

You'll probably argue that these are "anecdotal" and insignificant but whatever man.   People can do their research and figure it out.  But this is about not figuring it out the hard way.  Ignorance may be bliss but not when suffering is involved.

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Disc0rdant

Yes.  There are no studies either way.  People write opinions based on what they think.  The Greeks called it "herpes" for a reason.  The word literally means "to creep".  The Greeks were very intelligent, knowledgable folks.  I trust them over some of the self proclaimed prophets...

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WilsoInAus

Which  thread are you reading?

Are you inferring that "the chance of being infected with the same type (same or different strain) once you have an established infection is negligible to zero" is a baseless opinion.

It has nothing to do with opinion. It is observed fact - pure and simple.

The antibodies are effective against all strains. Is there a reason to believe otherwise? Well no as once again we have not observed infection with different types or the same strain in a different location to any discernible degree. Can it happen, of course. But we know it is close to a zero chance. This is fact.

And yes there are a lot of stories here and everywhere. Oh look here's one about Elvis, that's exciting, do you think he'll have another Hawaiian comeback concert?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2620692/elvis-presley-king-spotted-graceland-conspiracy-theory-he-lives/

 

 

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WilsoInAus
8 minutes ago, Disc0rdant said:

Yes.  There are no studies either way.  People write opinions based on what they think.  The Greeks called it "herpes" for a reason.  The word literally means "to creep".  The Greeks were very intelligent, knowledgable folks.  I trust them over some of the self proclaimed prophets...

How silly, yes to creep within the skin, not to spread to different locations. 

So you trust them that the world is flat?

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1aday

Interesting... I guess here's the reference study

http://ac.els-cdn.com/S0042682216300083/1-s2.0-S0042682216300083-main.pdf?_tid=76ee794c-5659-11e7-b435-00000aacb35d&acdnat=1498032970_0b52d84110b6feeff5b5ccd6de4a7e01 

As for the OP's question -- after your sores heal completely AND you don't feel prodrome.  It depends on the circumstance really, like, are you trying to protect your partner who is non-H?  From experience, my ex and I had sex as long as there's no visible outbreaks regardless of prodrome.  I mean.. I got it from him and we couldn't help ourselves.  

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