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sameer82

Hi all 

I had an unprotected exposure 14 months ago after 4 months after the encounter i saw a wart on my glans penis my doctor said its HPV and removed the wart with RF. He also said i have candida blantitis and asked to apply antibiotic cream for it ..After this i start getting some small red dots on my glan penis along with painful urination and tingling pain inside my urethra my doctor said i have NGU and asked me to get HSV IGG,IGM sero done ..The results were HSV 1&2 IGG 0.18<, he said its not herpes ..This was after 5 months after exposure ..These red dots used to appear on the glans penis and tip of urethra and disappear after few days ..In septmber 2017 again i had sex with someone using protection before having sex i had these small red spots on the glans and after sex next day they urethra become raw and reddish and when i touched it with tissue it was bleeding and my doctor said to do HSV1&2 again this was almost 12 months after last unprotected exposure this time the result came negative but with higher range 0.64 HSV1 IGG and 0.62 HSV2 IGG My doctor said it is not herpes but we don t have swab options in my country its only the blood test ..Now its been two months since the last test the red dots are appearing all around the glans penis in more numbers plus i also have very bad urethritis burning sensation on urination and sometimes tingling pain ..i am attaching the pictures here can someone tell me is it herpes or something else ..As i am totaly confused is it herpes or something related to the HPV i already have and if its herpes i just don t want to delay my treatment and i will restrain from having sex with anyone as i cannot take the guilty of giving this to anyone ..I don t even wish my enemy get this Herpes ..It just destroys your inner peace of mind ..Can someone here really help me looking at these pictures .. plzzzzz 

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Chris Taylor

What other symptoms.are you experiencing , any swollen lymph nodes , back pain , burning skin pain,  any other bumps around shaft or pelvic region ? 

And do you know the status of the person of 14 months ago? 

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WannaCry

It sounds extremely strange to me that your country does not have swab options. If anything it is the blood tests that are harder to obtain usually. You may need to try to see another Dr.

However, the fact you were diagnosed with balanitis and given ANTIBIOTICS instead of an ANTIFUNGAL might be what is going on here. Antibiotics don't treat fungal infections at all which is what balanitis is. You need a cream or pill that treats yeast (thrush) to successfully treat and keep balanitis away.

 

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23 hours ago, Chris Taylor said:

What other symptoms.are you experiencing , any swollen lymph nodes , back pain , burning skin pain,  any other bumps around shaft or pelvic region ? 

And do you know the status of the person of 14 months ago? 

I don t have exactly swollen lymph nodes but i am facing pink eye for last 3 months with white discharge and little sore throat and some times tingling pain in buttocks . i had couple of bumps 2 months ago near my groin but they just disappeared  after week these bumps when they appeared were really burning pain on skin..yes i do face back pain on both my left and right side and sometimes i feel the in the front also on lower abdomen....Is it HSV2

The other person is not really giving any information , when i messaged her to check does she had symptoms she started abusing me saying i should be ashamed to even doubt her which makes it even more complicated to know 

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sameer82
23 hours ago, WannaCry said:

It sounds extremely strange to me that your country does not have swab options. If anything it is the blood tests that are harder to obtain usually. You may need to try to see another Dr.

However, the fact you were diagnosed with balanitis and given ANTIBIOTICS instead of an ANTIFUNGAL might be what is going on here. Antibiotics don't treat fungal infections at all which is what balanitis is. You need a cream or pill that treats yeast (thrush) to successfully treat and keep balanitis away.

 

Well i go to one of the most well equipped hospital in my country and sadly they are not yet having swab options neither they have the Central spinal fluid option to do the test . Well i had been prescribed to use Fucidin cream first and later the doctor given me Ebernet cream it worked only for few days and these red dots never goes off actually ...

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Chris Taylor
7 minutes ago, sameer82 said:

I don t have exactly swollen lymph nodes but i am facing pink eye for last 3 months with white discharge and little sore throat and some times tingling pain in buttocks . i had couple of bumps 2 months ago near my groin but they just disappeared  after week these bumps when they appeared were really burning pain on skin..yes i do face back pain on both my left and right side and sometimes i feel the in the front also on lower abdomen....Is it HSV2

The other person is not really giving any information , when i messaged her to check does she had symptoms she started abusing me saying i should be ashamed to even doubt her which makes it even more complicated to know 

They all present differently on everyone. I hope then person is telling the truth , and if she is then you should feel confident. I myself have some of these symptoms without the swollen lymph nodes and red spots. Though my penis this look and feel leathery like it lost a layer of skin. I took 2 weeks of antibiotics and began using a anti bacterial soap when I shower and to be honest my penis is beginning to look and feel like it used to, soft and smooth texture. 

So far I am  6 months in and testing negative on both hsv 1 and 2 , the only difference is that my igG began high and now it's low , it has always been negative though.

What do your doctors say it is that you have?

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3 minutes ago, Chris Taylor said:

They all present differently on everyone. I hope then person is telling the truth , and if she is then you should feel confident. I myself have some of these symptoms without the swollen lymph nodes and red spots. Though my penis this look and feel leathery like it lost a layer of skin. I took 2 weeks of antibiotics and began using a anti bacterial soap when I shower and to be honest my penis is beginning to look and feel like it used to, soft and smooth texture. 

So far I am  6 months in and testing negative on both hsv 1 and 2 , the only difference is that my igG began high and now it's low , it has always been negative though.

What do your doctors say it is that you have?

The doctors here are so shy when it comes to discuss anything with STI .. See when i first visited doctor in Feb 2017 he just diagnosed HPV and removed the wart and few days later he suggested Ebernet for the candida blantitis i had ..These red dots started appearing almost 3 months after initially very few one or two which used to pop up and disappear on its own ..But yes i used to have tingling pins type pain in my glans ..So far two IGG,IGM blood test are negative and one more Blood test the method is western blot but not sure it is the same which is done by University of washington HSV2 Western Blot method ..If its not herpes then it should had healed for the other medicines i am trying ..As so far i have not tried using Valcivir since these red dots appeared ..I am thinking to give a try of Valcivir for a week and see does this red dots disappear if not then i need to visit another venerologist ...Because this doctor had once said it looks like Herpes and Twice said its not Herpes after seeing the blood test reports ..

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Chris Taylor

Hard to determine visually, and I don't think it was the western blot, you have to order that personally.  

I myself had pins and needle feeling on the tip of my penis , which thankfully it went away within a month. You could give it a try taking Valcivir, but be aware that you won't be able to take a blood test for about 3 months because that would cause a negative igG for both hsv. You may want to talk to a specialist to see if you can take a minimal amount, enough to see if it helps clear the red spots and enough to not alter your igG if you consider resting again.

May I ask , what other symptoms are you experiencing that you may think it's hsv but no one else does, some symptoms that you know you never had till your exposure. 

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On 28/12/2017 at 1:42 AM, Chris Taylor said:

Hard to determine visually, and I don't think it was the western blot, you have to order that personally.  

I myself had pins and needle feeling on the tip of my penis , which thankfully it went away within a month. You could give it a try taking Valcivir, but be aware that you won't be able to take a blood test for about 3 months because that would cause a negative igG for both hsv. You may want to talk to a specialist to see if you can take a minimal amount, enough to see if it helps clear the red spots and enough to not alter your igG if you consider resting again.

May I ask , what other symptoms are you experiencing that you may think it's hsv but no one else does, some symptoms that you know you never had till your exposure. 

Hey Chris 

Well i had missed an entire line in the first post ..When i went to doctor in sept 2017 after the sexual encounter with someone using condom and the subsequent red rashes and pain in the urethra the doctor did prescribed me valcivir and doxycycline saying its looks like HSV2 but he told me to give the blood test for IGG,IGM before i start the medication ..So the result came negative with range of <0.64 IGG for HSV 1 & 2 , after a week when i went to doctor again he said seeing the red rashes almost gone and the blood test report its not Herpes ..So this is what made me think it is HSV2 as the rashes gone after using valcivir for 10 days ..Now i understand my latest blood test is useless as i done it just 2 months after using valcivir ..I am so depressed with this red rashes blisters or sores don t know what to call it ..

The symptoms which i never had before and which i am experiencing in the last one year are , Tingling and pins pain in glans penis, which i never had before , Pain in my lower back above the buttocks and sometimes pain the centre of the back and pain in the buttocks and Pink eye with white discharge which came all of sudden and sensitivity to bright lights and blurry vision , Also small tiny sore type on my corner of lips both side which also give me some pins type pain sometimes but nothing visible when you see it with eyes.

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jingle

@sameer82 how did the doctor diagnose you with candida balanitis?

Your blood tests seem to indicate you do not have herpes. You should try to find a good dermatologist who will do a swab for fungus/yeast, bacteria, and a PCR swab for herpes of the rash you are experiencing.

Also, in my personal experience, a penile yeast infection of candida can look very much like the rash you are seeing. It can take over a month of regular application (twice a day) of an anti-fungal like lotrisone or lotriderm along with an oral anti-fungal like diflucan to fully get rid of the candida on penile surface so that your rashes would stop.

By the way, are you circumcised? If not, then you are more likely to have yeast infections like candida.

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Scooby2112

I agree. You look like a classic case of balantis most likely caused by fungal/yeast.  

I would recommend a mild steroid and anti fungal combination cream to be applied.  

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5 hours ago, jingle said:

@sameer82 how did the doctor diagnose you with candida balanitis?

Your blood tests seem to indicate you do not have herpes. You should try to find a good dermatologist who will do a swab for fungus/yeast, bacteria, and a PCR swab for herpes of the rash you are experiencing.

Also, in my personal experience, a penile yeast infection of candida can look very much like the rash you are seeing. It can take over a month of regular application (twice a day) of an anti-fungal like lotrisone or lotriderm along with an oral anti-fungal like diflucan to fully get rid of the candida on penile surface so that your rashes would stop.

By the way, are you circumcised? If not, then you are more likely to have yeast infections like candida.

Hi @jingle

The dermatologist initially said its candida as the entire glans was filled with white thick cream type which he said is east type infection and he given me Ebernet or Obanet cream which made white creamy layer entirely gone after 2 week . But once these white cream stuff settle down i started getting these tiny red dots which used to come with some tingling pain and disappear without any mark after week . No rupture no fluids no bleeding . But when i had sex with someone in september using condom i left the condom stay for more than 5 minutes after i cum and which made it stick and next day i found the urethra become raw and when i used a tissue to clean it i saw a drop of blood on the tissue paper . Thats when i went to doctor he just saw it and said it looks ike HSV2 and NGU ..Now after a week of using Valcivir and Doxycycline the entire raw patch has just disappeared . So this confusing diagnosis by doctor has made me more worried and decide its herpes as people always say herpes show different symptoms to different individuals not all get the standard blisters or sores .

Yes i am uncircumcised ...Does candida keeps coming again and again even after getting treated ???? But does candida rashes or blisters give you pins or tingling pain ???

Plus my ELISA HSV 1 & 2 Test jumped from 0.18 in IGG , IGM in March 2017 to 0.64 in IGG and IGM in september 2017 which is almost close to <0.90 level for negative HSV range which is what making me thing its more Herpes than candida s .

1.Have pain in urethra candida don t affect urethra as per my knowledge 

2.Pain in buttocks and lower back and some times burning sensation in inner thighs  

3.Pink eye with White discharge and blurry vision 

4.Pins pain in legs,palms and some times in thighs and lower back 

5.Itching all over the skin some times even in face and scalp (I have scalp psoriasis) 

6.Sore throat and small very non visible sore type on the lips and burning sensation on the corner of lips 

7.And these rashes are coming up heavily when ever i masturbate like 4-5 times in a day so herpes does have outbreak when it has lots of friction right ..

i seriously hope its just candida and not herpes as i already Have HPV , Herpes along with HPV will be like end of my life . i won t be ever loved again 

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3 hours ago, Scooby2112 said:

I agree. You look like a classic case of balantis most likely caused by fungal/yeast.  

I would recommend a mild steroid and anti fungal combination cream to be applied.  

I am not really sure because the doctors are not able to diagnose it clearly plus the NGU which is affecting my urethra is not at all getting cured ..So confused really does Candida balantits cause NGU for such prolonged time i don t think so . So far i am just taking the doxycycline for the last 10 days and not applying any cream on these rashes and seeing how are the actually turning up . Just one good relief is i am not having those pins pain i used to get a lot before now its just like once or twice a day i feel that in the glans ..compared to 10-20 times a day before ..

Hope i really get a proper diagnose and get some correct medication ..Because i am sure if i have sex with someone using condom too these rashes will just rupture and turn raw which will make it again more complicated .. 

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Scooby2112

Candida can be in the urethra.  It likes moist dark areas.  Causes burning and redness.  

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Scooby2112

Also taking antibiotics can result in allowing a candida or yeast overgrowth since it clears all the good flora as well as the bad and sometimes the bad recolonizes faster.  

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Divon

Im no expert on these blood tests but I´ve heard that over 4 is usually the number where you are certain that you have it. The tests will always jump around in numbers like that, pretty sure you will never test twice and get the same number twice.

You make statements that balanitis or candida would go away fast after treatments but where have you heard that? From what I´ve heard it should be the other way around where a herpes bump should go away while balanitis can stick around for several months or even a year although it might grow or decrease in size.

I can guarantee you that the chance that this is herpes is low but what I Am curious about is, is it even possible that this could be herpes when so much speaks against it?

" 7.And these rashes are coming up heavily when ever i masturbate like 4-5 times in a day so herpes does have outbreak when it has lots of friction right .. " This assumption is confusing to me also because doesnt that describe pretty much all other penile rash or rash like issues even more than it herpes? I mean which penile skin issue would not get worse by friction or irritation? As far as I know staying away from masturbation would be much more important for getting rid of balanitis than herpes.

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Chris Taylor

@Divon Have you been diagnosed yet? And what was your exposure like?

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@sameer82 my urinary issues took almost 3 months to clear because I wasn’t getting the right antibiotic. Doxycycline didn’t help me and actually felt in more pain after taking it, Monurol didn’t work, Sulfamethoxizole didn’t work...the only thing that ever works for me was Macrobid....but that’s because my UTI issues are always bacterial.

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58 minutes ago, cracked said:

@sameer82 my urinary issues took almost 3 months to clear because I wasn’t getting the right antibiotic. Doxycycline didn’t help me and actually felt in more pain after taking it, Monurol didn’t work, Sulfamethoxizole didn’t work...the only thing that ever works for me was Macrobid....but that’s because my UTI issues are always bacterial.

Why do you think that one worked over the others ? Is it stronger ? What did your doctor say about that antibiotic over the others.

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It depends on the type of bacteria it is. I was taking macrobid for my bacterial infection in August and then sulfamethoxazole, but they didn’t work because the bacteria was proteus Mirabilis and is resistant to macrobid and sulfa drugs. One week later I got another UTI just randomly because apparently my urinary tract is like that and the bacteria this time was a resistant e. Coli. This time they gave me deoxycycline (which is a tetracycline) and it was resistant to it, but e. Coli is usually susceptible to macrobid and that’s why it has been my life saver for years.

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Divon

Is it possible to test the actual skin rash for herpes aswell? I only know of blood test and test from blisters. I've heard of somehow cutting of a small piece of the skin for some DNA test. Doesnt sound like the best thing to do though.

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9 minutes ago, Divon said:

Is it possible to test the actual skin rash for herpes aswell? I only know of blood test and test from blisters. I've heard of somehow cutting of a small piece of the skin for some DNA test. Doesnt sound like the best thing to do though.

Skin biopsy.

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Scooby2112

Or PCR swab can pick up any virus on the skin, doesn't have to be an active lesion.  

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On 05/01/2018 at 3:23 AM, Divon said:

You make statements that balanitis or candida would go away fast after treatments but where have you heard that? From what I´ve heard it should be the other way around where a herpes bump should go away while balanitis can stick around for several months or even a year although it might grow or decrease in size.

 

Now here are the latest pictures of my glans ..Most of those red dots or rashes have disappeared without applying any cream on it ..I am just taking doxycycline for the last 10 days twice a day ..Nothing else i did apart from cleaning the glans with warm water ..Yes the glans skin has totally turned into shinny wrinkle skin it was not like this before i had the Genital Wart and the subsequent treatment my skin glans ..

Now here is my doubt if its candida will it get cured without applying any antibiotic or antifungal cream ..As you saying the herpes rashes or bumps might go away sooner ..This one is making me more confused ..

i am trying to contact UOW and get a WB done in month or two as i will be 5 months since i used Valcivir for 10 days ...

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Scooby2112

If it's candida it wouldn't be helped with antibiotics.  Candida is a fungus.  Taking antibiotics may actually allow candida to spread and thrive more easily as it can remove good bacteria flora as well as bad.  

An antifungal would be required to treat a candida infection along with possible diet changes.  

Really it's taking guesses at this point unless a biopsy is performed to determine what the issue is.  

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