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    • Scooby2112
      Not a lot to go on.  UTI symptoms are mostly during the initial outbreak.  Not during recurrences.     therefore it doesn’t sound like herpes since it is only UTI symptoms.      
    • Scooby2112
      I assume you gave oral sex to whomever back 20 days ago?   hsv2 is very unlikely to infect the oral cavity and if so, unlikely to show symptoms.     also transmitting to thick skin like face skin is harder than the lips/ mucous membranes.     I don’t believe this looks like herpes.  They look filled with pus like a pimple /ingrown hair.  
    • JeffBridges
      Hi, After getting tested for hsv2, my results were “indeterminate” and I was negative for all other diseases. I had protected sex ~20 days ago. Just a few days ago, these bumps appeared on my chin and over the course of 2 days have disappeared. Are these herpes? thank you in advance
    • lennyblastoff
      Im glad you commented not about the same old song though. We'll see how far they go with the research Dr. Deepak Shukla and his team have been studying bx795 for the last 2-3 years dropping a study every year or so since 2018. This is only they're second one on hsv2 I believe. Also Im sure it wouldn't be impossible for those that have hsv to crowdfound and have research done for us to answer some question kinda like all these breast cancer  or how we've done for fred hutch who asked 50,000 initially and then 100k to test an actual vaccine not an already somewhat of a common compound.
    • Just a human being
      I’ve never been able to fully accept such logic although I believe there is an element to it and absolutely there are financial drivers at play. Not when you’ve witnessed the psychology on the ground to my thinking anyhow... I get the expression of your dichotomy... I was watching a clip awhile back about a naturopath fighting a massive ban on natural supplements by the FDA. He stated from his communications the FDA simply seemed to trust Pharmaceutical companies more. Many of them would have HSV...  I had a great visual analogy on it posted here. Unfortunately it got censored. Possibly as it was in the cure section and it insulted the allopathic kiddies, which wasn’t my intention, possibly maybe due to the thoughtstream in the majority of society that most treatment options should come from the pharmacological approach...so might try my luck on a re-post of it in my grassroots section.  That said I don’t have the rest of my life to study it... too busy... And I am meant to be taking a break from this forum...
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VladimirM
14 minutes ago, VladimirM said:

Of course, if the drug is already approved for use, it will  more easily be approved for other uses. There are many laboratories dealing with such substances only. They are testing already approved drugs. The only thing they have to prove is the efficiency for a new use.

 

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VladimirM
22 minutes ago, Mackie82 said:

100 labs working on HSV ? That’s great. Can you provide link with those labs name please. Thanks 

https://scienceblog.com/76180/purpose-of-the-herpes-vaccine-blog/

 "There are at least 100 individuals in the world who are actively pursuing a HSV-2 vaccine, and I am one of these many researchers."

:D

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Jimmyjimmyhuapua
On 07.03.2018 at 4:33 AM, Taintedgirl said:

It is not an easy virus to eradicate from the body. It's dna is very large it makes everything worse that it’s attached to a sensitive area. VZV and herpes simplex have different DNA that’s why VZV vaccine doesn’t work for herpes or else we would have used it by now and never got infected. HIV is in T cells and has a completely different structure to HSV. You can’t compare it to anything else. You see other viruses being cured and assume herpes is the same but it’s not. It’s very hard to exploit its weak spots. Hard but not impossible so please give the people who are trying time to do what they have to do. The Halford Vax was not done well and you know that. People still suffer because of Halford issues. The media just reports what the cdc gives them don’t blame them. 

Yes ofc i dont claim that its an easy virus to eradicate but there is no sufficient interest on it. Vzv is also from herpes virus family and in some studies it showed impact on hsv 1 and hsv 2 as well. The most famous research was at paris hospital in 2012 maybe you read about it. I compared hiv and hsv at drugs point. There are lots of drugs imroved for hiv but for hsv we dont have nothing better than valtrex. For halford vax we dont know yet, they didnt publish results and halford was more interested in hsv research compare to other researchers and he continued to his research with his own money and donations. And if you have a friend from temple you can ask their work about hsv. Here is the link https://temple-news.com/researchers-aim-to-find-cure-for-herpes/ Here they try to edit hsv's ICP0 its their target and Halford's vax was also version of virus without ICP0. So we cant say anything before there will be trial on people and published results. Some claim halford vax worked well , some claim it didnt work. I didn't blame media actually who i blamed was officials because if there will be decreasing number of people with herpes spread should stop, people should die and  it should decrease but here we are talking about a virus and there is nothing preventative for it. What we criticise here is its really a shame for governments, pharmas, officials that we dont have any better treatment option or something preventative for herpes. Valtrex was on market in 1995 and we are in 2018 how many years without any improvement then ? 23 years... So if you are glad from this situation okay i dont have nothing to say but there is nothing fair for herpes patients. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER STD'S HIV INFECTION CAN BE PREVENTED BY TAKİNG DRUGS DAİLY, HPV HAS A PREVENTATIVE VAX, HEPATITIS HAS VAX, OTHER STD'S ARE CURABLE. HSV 2 RATE WORLD WIDE IS 500 MILLION PEOPLE AND THERE IS NOTHING TO PREVENT IT. VALTREX CAN LOWER TRANSMISSON RATE %50 and Herpes increases possibility of your getting other std's so how these people can have comfortable sex life ? I hope you understand now

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cracked
2 minutes ago, Jimmyjimmyhuapua said:

HSV 2 RATE WORLD WIDE IS 500 MILLION PEOPLE

 

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Jimmyjimmyhuapua
3 minutes ago, cracked said:

 

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Thanks for ur share i read some where its 500 million so maybe its more... Thats worse ofc. 

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Taintedgirl
17 minutes ago, Jimmyjimmyhuapua said:

Yes ofc i dont claim that its an easy virus to eradicate but there is no sufficient interest on it. Vzv is also from herpes virus family and in some studies it showed impact on hsv 1 and hsv 2 as well. The most famous research was at paris hospital in 2012 maybe you read about it. I compared hiv and hsv at drugs point. There are lots of drugs imroved for hiv but for hsv we dont have nothing better than valtrex. For halford vax we dont know yet, they didnt publish results and halford was more interested in hsv research compare to other researchers and he continued to his research with his own money and donations. And if you have a friend from temple you can ask their work about hsv. Here is the link https://temple-news.com/researchers-aim-to-find-cure-for-herpes/ Here they try to edit hsv's ICP0 its their target and Halford's vax was also version of virus without ICP0. So we cant say anything before there will be trial on people and published results. Some claim halford vax worked well , some claim it didnt work. I didn't blame media actually who i blamed was officials because if there will be decreasing number of people with herpes spread should stop, people should die and  it should decrease but here we are talking about a virus and there is nothing preventative for it. What we criticise here is its really a shame for governments, pharmas, officials that we dont have any better treatment option or something preventative for herpes. Valtrex was on market in 1995 and we are in 2018 how many years without any improvement then ? 23 years... So if you are glad from this situation okay i dont have nothing to say but there is nothing fair for herpes patients. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER STD'S HIV INFECTION CAN BE PREVENTED BY TAKİNG DRUGS DAİLY, HPV HAS A PREVENTATIVE VAX, HEPATITIS HAS VAX, OTHER STD'S ARE CURABLE. HSV 2 RATE WORLD WIDE IS 500 MILLION PEOPLE AND THERE IS NOTHING TO PREVENT IT. VALTREX CAN LOWER TRANSMISSON RATE %50 and Herpes increases possibility of your getting other std's so how these people can have comfortable sex life ? I hope you understand now

Even crispr was unable to remove latent virus of hsv. It is not HIV jimmy that’s what I need you to understand that this virus is very tightly packed to exploit its weaknesses is not easy. People are trying. I’m obviously not happy but I have to be realistic. This disease has been around since Hippocrates if no one in all that time couldn’t come up with anything then it wasn’t for a lack of trying it was the nature of the beast. We only recently learned of asymptomatic shedding in all those years why because no one knows how this works. I get that you want a cure but also understand that science can only move so fast.

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Cas9
56 minutes ago, Taintedgirl said:

Even crispr was unable to remove latent virus of hsv. It is not HIV jimmy that’s what I need you to understand that this virus is very tightly packed to exploit its weaknesses is not easy. People are trying. I’m obviously not happy but I have to be realistic. This disease has been around since Hippocrates if no one in all that time couldn’t come up with anything then it wasn’t for a lack of trying it was the nature of the beast. We only recently learned of asymptomatic shedding in all those years why because no one knows how this works. I get that you want a cure but also understand that science can only move so fast.

It's been around for millions of years.

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Taintedgirl
3 minutes ago, Cas9 said:

It's been around for millions of years.

Exactly this disease is not new. If in all those years no one stumbled on a cure one thing I know for sure is that it wasn’t for a lack of trying.

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Cas9
19 minutes ago, Taintedgirl said:

Exactly this disease is not new. If in all those years no one stumbled on a cure one thing I know for sure is that it wasn’t for a lack of trying.

I doubt one of our hominid ancestors was working on a cure for herpes :)

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Taintedgirl
6 minutes ago, Cas9 said:

I doubt one of our hominid ancestors was working on a cure for herpes :)

Lol probably just covered the rash in mud

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Lukeherpwalker

Just a note crispr couldn't completely remove hsv. But it was easier to block replication of hsv than it was for hiv

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cracked
13 minutes ago, Lukeherpwalker said:

Just a note crispr couldn't completely remove hsv. But it was easier to block replication of hsv than it was for hiv

Which is all that’s needed as a ‘cure’. 

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Cas9
31 minutes ago, Lukeherpwalker said:

Just a note crispr couldn't completely remove hsv. But it was easier to block replication of hsv than it was for hiv

The challenge for HIV was getting crispr to all the immune cells since immune cells are everywhere; they're not localized. But from what I understand, Excision Bio believes they can do it.  It should be very interesting to see what happens in the next couple of years with their HIV trials; i.e.they're supposed to start them this year.

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35hope
2 hours ago, Lukeherpwalker said:

Just a note crispr couldn't completely remove hsv. But it was easier to block replication of hsv than it was for hiv

yeah thats the jest of it of what i been reading, it basically only goes after the active dna that floats around in the cell by itself and not the latent dna thats attach to your cells dna i expect soon you will hear it sniping it out of our cell dna but getting it to those cells is another obstacle, only thing i can think of is directly injecting it to nerve ganglion, so how would you know if your penetrating the protected barrier? though if it only goes after the active virus wouldnt you have to get a shot every once in a while when that shot wears off? and how would that stop shedding completely, it would have to attack the virus when it's leave the nerve endings i would think some of it would get passed the defense and reach the skin...

can anyone explain this to me i would appreciate it thanks

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Lukeherpwalker
1 hour ago, 35hope said:

yeah thats the jest of it of what i been reading, it basically only goes after the active dna that floats around in the cell by itself and not the latent dna thats attach to your cells dna i expect soon you will hear it sniping it out of our cell dna but getting it to those cells is another obstacle, only thing i can think of is directly injecting it to nerve ganglion, so how would you know if your penetrating the protected barrier? though if it only goes after the active virus wouldnt you have to get a shot every once in a while when that shot wears off? and how would that stop shedding completely, it would have to attack the virus when it's leave the nerve endings i would think some of it would get passed the defense and reach the skin...

can anyone explain this to me i would appreciate it thanks

Not a doctor. But from what I've read the solution would be to change the cells around the nerve ending to be more antiviral than they already are by changing its DNA. So when the hsv started to replicate or move towards the skin it would be wiped out before it can shed.... Something alomg those lines. I'm summarizing but Google crispr herpes see what u interpret it as 

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Cas9
3 hours ago, 35hope said:

yeah thats the jest of it of what i been reading, it basically only goes after the active dna that floats around in the cell by itself and not the latent dna thats attach to your cells dna i expect soon you will hear it sniping it out of our cell dna but getting it to those cells is another obstacle, only thing i can think of is directly injecting it to nerve ganglion, so how would you know if your penetrating the protected barrier? though if it only goes after the active virus wouldnt you have to get a shot every once in a while when that shot wears off? and how would that stop shedding completely, it would have to attack the virus when it's leave the nerve endings i would think some of it would get passed the defense and reach the skin...

can anyone explain this to me i would appreciate it thanks

Hsv1 and 2 do not integrate into the host cell dna, they lie inside the cell body but outside the dna.

The location of where to inject the AAV (which will contain crispr), is already established by scientists. What do you think Excision Bio is doing?

Crispr would reside only in the nerve cell. My assumption would be that it would remain there. For how long it would last, I don't know. As long as crispr is there in the cell, we assume that virtually no replicated viral particles will escape the nerve cell and therefore there would be no appreciable shedding. Essentially, you wouldn't get any OBs nor would you be contagious.

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Cas9
1 hour ago, Lukeherpwalker said:

Not a doctor. But from what I've read the solution would be to change the cells around the nerve ending to be more antiviral than they already are by changing its DNA. So when the hsv started to replicate or move towards the skin it would be wiped out before it can shed.... Something alomg those lines. I'm summarizing but Google crispr herpes see what u interpret it as 

The nerve ending is simply the end of a nerve cell. It is not itself made up of cells. Here's what a nerve cell looks like

https://www.google.com/search?q=nerve+cell+picture&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2krmD8N3ZAhUCUKwKHcksCZgQsAQIJg&biw=1413&bih=653#imgrc=7A0w3aAwf2wCjM:

 

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35hope
9 hours ago, Cas9 said:

Hsv1 and 2 do not integrate into the host cell dna, they lie inside the cell body but outside the dna.

The location of where to inject the AAV (which will contain crispr), is already established by scientists. What do you think Excision Bio is doing?

Crispr would reside only in the nerve cell. My assumption would be that it would remain there. For how long it would last, I don't know. As long as crispr is there in the cell, we assume that virtually no replicated viral particles will escape the nerve cell and therefore there would be no appreciable shedding. Essentially, you wouldn't get any OBs nor would you be contagious.

Thanks Cas9 that actually made me feel better, now if they would figure how to edit the latent dna so you don't need to get a booster shot if you would even need one which if thats the case wouldnt even care about it.

i really hope crispr is a massive success in general so this test triasl can happen as fast as they can do it.

 

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ManagingIllness

There will be nothing in the next few years. To say otherwise is a total misunderstanding of the nature of clinical trials and drug approval.

Also, you can thank retarded anti-vaxers for making the situation 100X worse.

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Nietzsche
14 hours ago, ManagingIllness said:

There will be nothing in the next few years. To say otherwise is a total misunderstanding of the nature of clinical trials and drug approval.

Also, you can thank retarded anti-vaxers for making the situation 100X worse.

We don't know how the competition between China vs US will cut regulations in the future.. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuAg-RaZ4Is

 

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MikeHerp

I really hope ExcisionBio can really get something going, first with HIV.  It sounded like they are targeting early 2019 for clinical trials, so we may need to wait a bit.

But if they can really start a phase 1 at least, I think the whole field will benefit from the knowledge gained.  We'll have a better idea where we stand with this.

By the way, I was reading an earlier 2014 study using meganucleases (not CRISPR), they were able to edit a tiny bit of the latent HSV virus with that, though the experiment was in vitro and not in neurons.  I'm still hoping that they'll be able to figure out how to edit latent virus with CRISPR or other genetic editing tool.

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brookeb300
On 3/8/2018 at 6:18 PM, Cas9 said:

Hsv1 and 2 do not integrate into the host cell dna, they lie inside the cell body but outside the dna.

The location of where to inject the AAV (which will contain crispr), is already established by scientists. What do you think Excision Bio is doing?

Crispr would reside only in the nerve cell. My assumption would be that it would remain there. For how long it would last, I don't know. As long as crispr is there in the cell, we assume that virtually no replicated viral particles will escape the nerve cell and therefore there would be no appreciable shedding. Essentially, you wouldn't get any OBs nor would you be contagious.

This is what I’m confused about - they don’t integrate into the host nerve cells dna?  How do the replicate?

How do they replicate I mean the herpes virus particles?

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Mackie82

I don’t really who has posted this herpes cure in 2020, with all of my respect did you mean 2020 or 2050 . Thanks 

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Cas9
12 minutes ago, brookeb300 said:

This is what I’m confused about - they don’t integrate into the host nerve cells dna?  How do the replicate?

How do they replicate I mean the herpes virus particles?

I'm no expert, but I'm reasonably certain hsv1&2 don't integrate, at least not typically. If you find otherwise, let us know. It's always good to learn new information.

Not all viruses integrate into the dna of their host cell. Based on what I believe is true for hsv1&2, and given that they do replicate of course, that tells us that integration into the host cell dna is not required for replication. What is required is that the virus be in the cell. Cells have various components that are involved in cell division, that viruses don't have. So viruses need to infect the cell and use these components to allow them to replicate.

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