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blurneworder

Hi,

I was told in May that the person I was seeing might have HSV. Not too long after that, I started getting raised, itchy bumps on my thighs. Since then, I have a constant itch in my groin, random white heads down there, random raised flesh spots, and tiny pin prick-like sensations. Sometimes I can see a cluster or red spots beneath the skin, but they never come up to the surface. I also have a constant itch on my anus. My scrotum has been red (and sometimes itchy) for months now. Through all of this, no ulcers or open sores with scabbing are occurring.

I do not have pain when I pee nor do I have discharge.

Lately, the girl I was dating and I both had colds, and our lips starting tingling, and we developed white bumps beneath the skin of the top lip. However, through all of this, no sores have ever appeared, but my lips are constantly tingling/numb. The Dermatologist said it's Fordyce spots, but could not explain my lips tingled and my girlfriend contracted the exact same thing at the exact same time. This girl also has constant itching at the entrance to her vagina after sleeping with me.

I've showed my Primary Care doctor and Dermatologist photos tracking the symptoms, and they are not convinced it's HSV. My blood work has come back negative, and the doctors can't explain why the girl I'm seeing is experiencing the same lip symptoms as I am.

Every doctor I've seen is emphatic when they tell me I don't have herpes.

 

 

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WilsoInAus

You have the following triad:

- symptoms that do not align with herpes in nature or location, including what you have shown in the pics.

- medical experts who have seen the symptoms concur it is not herpes.

- blood testing (assuming its IgG for type 1 and type 2) is negative.

This triad Ian more than enough to reasonably conclude that herpes is not your issue here.

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blurneworder
22 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

You have the following triad:

- symptoms that do not align with herpes in nature or location, including what you have shown in the pics.

- medical experts who have seen the symptoms concur it is not herpes.

- blood testing (assuming its IgG for type 1 and type 2) is negative.

This triad Ian more than enough to reasonably conclude that herpes is not your issue here.

Thank you for replying.

What locations should I be concerned about? I thought groin, mouth, and anus are were herpes live.

I’m wondering if it’s possible the blood work was done too soon or the test was not accurate as say as Western Blot.

I can’t look past another person I was with also having burning sensation, tingling lips, and now permanent white spots on the lips.

is it possible to have herpes that never blister and scab over?

Could it be HPV?

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WilsoInAus

Herpes lives within the nerve ganglion of the infected region only.

Ulon an infection, an outbreak will include the site where the virus entered the body. The thigh is a rare place for herpes given how thick the skin is.

At 12 weeks post last exposure, the bloodwork is conclusive.

Permanent white spots are not a symptom of herpes. Herpes will indeed generally do what it does best, produce blistery sores that ulcerate and heal.

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blurneworder
10 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

Herpes lives within the nerve ganglion of the infected region only.

Ulon an infection, an outbreak will include the site where the virus entered the body. The thigh is a rare place for herpes given how thick the skin is.

At 12 weeks post last exposure, the bloodwork is conclusive.

Permanent white spots are not a symptom of herpes. Herpes will indeed generally do what it does best, produce blistery sores that ulcerate and heal.

I wonder why me and my girlfriend have the tingling lips at the same, itchy irritation in my groin and her vagina.

 

see why I’m confused?

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WilsoInAus

It’s not uncommon for there to be a form of toxic shock associated with sex with a new partner. Transfer of bacteria is very common. Plus sex can be hot and heavy excerbating irritations. You’ve been kissing heaps I’d guess?!?

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blurneworder
31 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

It’s not uncommon for there to be a form of toxic shock associated with sex with a new partner. Transfer of bacteria is very common. Plus sex can be hot and heavy excerbating irritations. You’ve been kissing heaps I’d guess?!?

This new partner used to be an old partner. This whole mess with symptoms stares after I slept with someone different, and then got back with the person I’m seeing now who I used to see.  Her symptoms started recently,  but mine have been for months sans the mouth tingle and white bumps

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ExhaustedGirl1

Have her also get bloodwork done and explore other options like ureaplasma and mycoplasma. Could be some kind of bacteria.

Also try to get those rashes/bumps PCR swabbed for HSV right away when you see them. 

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blurneworder
17 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

It’s not uncommon for there to be a form of toxic shock associated with sex with a new partner. Transfer of bacteria is very common. Plus sex can be hot and heavy excerbating irritations. You’ve been kissing heaps I’d guess?!?

@WilsoInAus, could the lip tingling be prodrome?

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WilsoInAus

There is a lot of misinformation and misinterpretation regarding prodrome. It is the action and reaction of the virus as it makes its way through the skin to the surface. It is mainly a dull throb or tingle. It lasts 6-24 hours before the lesion patch arises. If there is no patch in this time, it is very probably not related to herpes. 

Prodrome does not really occur upon initial infection, the sores are there much more suddenly.

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blurneworder
3 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

There is a lot of misinformation and misinterpretation regarding prodrome. It is the action and reaction of the virus as it makes its way through the skin to the surface. It is mainly a dull throb or tingle. It lasts 6-24 hours before the lesion patch arises. If there is no patch in this time, it is very probably not related to herpes. 

Prodrome does not really occur upon initial infection, the sores are there much more suddenly.

So strange that I still have tingling almost 2 weeks on from initial feeling and appearance of cluster of white bumps.

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blurneworder
1 minute ago, WilsoInAus said:

Not as strange as if it was actually herpes though!

Right!

 

Have you come across anybody who had HSV-1 and tingling, but never any sores?

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blurneworder
6 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

Not with an initial infection, no.

Thank you for providing answers. 

I worry i'll fall into that category of people who have symptoms that never go full-blown, and doctors keep telling them they don't HSV, even though the symptoms cannot be explained as anything else.

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WilsoInAus

There isn’t really such a category. Remember that 99.99% of the time, diagnosis of HSV is straightforward.

Please relax. Worry will do you fat more harm than herpes ever could.

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blurneworder
1 minute ago, WilsoInAus said:

There isn’t really such a category. Remember that 99.99% of the time, diagnosis of HSV is straightforward.

Please relax. Worry will do you fat more harm than herpes ever could.

I know.

I recently discovered the article by Gary Richwald about people infected with HSV who exhibit atypical symptoms that are routinely misdiagnosed. Now I'm paranoid I'm one of those.

Any thoughts on the article?

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Faculty/Visscher/Epi230/2009/Richwald_OmniaJ_Herpes_2008.pdf

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WilsoInAus

That’s not what the article is about. It is about the inaccuracies of visual testing and the need for swabbing and blood tests.

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blurneworder
25 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

That’s not what the article is about. It is about the inaccuracies of visual testing and the need for swabbing and blood tests.

Thank you for catching my error. 

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vanish123
On 10/1/2018 at 7:52 PM, blurneworder said:

Thank you for replying.

What locations should I be concerned about? I thought groin, mouth, and anus are were herpes live.

I’m wondering if it’s possible the blood work was done too soon or the test was not accurate as say as Western Blot.

I can’t look past another person I was with also having burning sensation, tingling lips, and now permanent white spots on the lips.

is it possible to have herpes that never blister and scab over?

Could it be HPV?

Sorry to tell you, but I have the same thing.  Probably HSV 1.  It was not as bad as before, but when I kissed certain people it would get worse.  The last person I dated had HSV 1 and now I have it as burning mouth syndrome.  So here is the article.  I get tingles everywhere if I get saliva on me no matter where you kiss me.  So trigeminal area and my skin.  When the I guess initial outbreak was happening, I was getting fever and skin irritations everywhere.  Now I try to be careful not to kiss my partner  anywhere or touch my eyes etc, I do not need to spread it anywhere. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/50455-burning-mouth-syndrome-herpes.html

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WilsoInAus

Ummm if you look a little closer at the photis you might see that they are not of his mouth.

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PeaceNeeded
1 hour ago, WilsoInAus said:

Ummm if you look a little closer at the photis you might see that they are not of his mouth.

Lol the shutterstock photo? Was a joke?  : - P

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blurneworder
19 hours ago, vanish123 said:

Sorry to tell you, but I have the same thing.  Probably HSV 1.  It was not as bad as before, but when I kissed certain people it would get worse.  The last person I dated had HSV 1 and now I have it as burning mouth syndrome.  So here is the article.  I get tingles everywhere if I get saliva on me no matter where you kiss me.  So trigeminal area and my skin.  When the I guess initial outbreak was happening, I was getting fever and skin irritations everywhere.  Now I try to be careful not to kiss my partner  anywhere or touch my eyes etc, I do not need to spread it anywhere. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/50455-burning-mouth-syndrome-herpes.html

You literally never kiss your partner?

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blurneworder
17 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

Ummm if you look a little closer at the photis you might see that they are not of his mouth.

I mentioned in a post that I have a burning sensation on my mouth. Dermatologist keeps trying to say it's Fordyce spot, but cannot give me a solid explanation as to why my lips burns and how my girlfriend developed the exact same symptoms. 

I find it unlikely that two people both have flu-like symptoms, tingling on the lips, and they both got it at the same time.

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