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BHT (Butylated hydroxytoluene) LOG / EXPERIMENT on Antiviral-resistant HSV-2

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viralfrog

Hi All,

I am doing a log/experiment on the effectivity of BHT, that some claim has helped with their HSV symptoms and some even claiming having cured Herpes with it. To start with, I am very sceptical and doubt it will work. Most of the arguments say that nobody knows about it because drug companies can't make money from it due to its cheap price. However, L-Lysine is cheap as well and it's very well-known unlike BHT. In case you haven't heard of BHT, here is an entire book about it: http://www.projectwellbeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/BHTbook-StevenWmFowkes-100903.pdf Since the substance is very cheap, it's worth a try!

I have had HSV-2 for 4 years and my symptoms keep getting worse. I have a constant outbreak on my penis that I can't get rid of, accompanied by a swollen lymph node in my goin as well as a lethargic and sick feeling. I have been tested positive by a IgG antibody as well as a lesion sample test. I am taking antivirals at 2 x recommended dose and have tried almost every natural supplement out there without success. For more details, you can read my welcome thread, but on this one lets concentrate on BHT and it's effects. 

Day 1:

A 250g pack of BHT arrived today. I ordered it straight from a local chemical factory for just $3 in crystal form. I measured 5g of BHT crystals, inserted them into a glass vial and filled the rest with coconut oil, so that the total volume is 20ml. This gives me a concentration of 250mg/ml of BHT in coconut oil. I boiled water and added it into a bowl, submerging the glass vial and shaking it every few minutes to allow the crystals to dissolve.

Dosing protocol: as per recommendations on the book, I will start with 500mg/day ingested orally after a meal. In case it has no effects on my symptoms, I will increase the dosage to 750 or 1000mg/day. If I experience side effects, I will decrease the dosage to 250mg/day. I will be also applying the solution topically on my penis where any blisters or lesions are present before going to sleep. 

I will not be altering the amounts of other supplements or drugs, however, in case BHT works for me I might start dropping some of my diet gradually to investigate the effects. 

 

Final notes: if any of you are interested in this or have any other knowledge / experience about BHT, please do comment on the thread. I will be updating this regularly in case anyone is interested. 

 

 

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Bring me Hope

following. I was dx 4 months ago and have continual outbreaks as well despite Vit C, lysine, and valocylovir high doses.  this is no way to live.  

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2 hours ago, viralfrog said:

Final notes: if any of you are interested in this or have any other knowledge / experience about BHT, please do comment on the thread. I will be updating this regularly in case anyone is interested.

Please, do a blinded crossover experiment, otherwise your experiment will be basically useless as you are not ruling out any confounding factors.

Get two identical new bottles, label one A and the other B. Ask a friend to fill A and B so one contains BHT and the other Coconut oil alone with you not knowing which is which, and to write down in a piece of paper what each bottle contains and put that piece of paper in a closed envelope. Keep the envelope closed till the end of the experiment.

Start with bottle A, keep using A for at least 5 weeks (1 washout week + 1 month) or longer, write down any supposed effects. Change to bottle B and use it for the same period of time. Repeat A and B again at least once. Your experiment should last at least 5 months.

At the end, open the envelope and check your results.

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Following.  I read some good reviews online and added to my arsenal list of things to try

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4 hours ago, Puni said:

I agree, but Amazon reviews can be easily manipulated and I wouldn't really trust them to judge the effectivity of a product. I have some friends in the FBA business and the first thing they do for a new product is get as many fake 5-star reviews as possible. Not saying this to give up hope though, I still have some hopes for this product!

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BHT is one of those things that comes around as potential "treatment" every few years.  The bottom line is: if it has any effect at all, the effect is mild and does not alter the number of recurrences.  There were a few topical investigations with BHT that showed a slight decrease in the severity of outbreaks that did not achieve statistical significance. 

If you are in fact having unrelenting recurrences of HSV while on high doses of Acyclovir you should see a licensed dermatologist and discuss options.  There are second line HSV drugs such as Foscarnet Sodium that can be combined with or taken in lieu of Acyclovir/Valacyclovir (though it requires routine blood monitoring).  A more powerful, but potentially more dangerous, antiviral called valcyte is also a potential option but it's long term risks needs to be carefully weighed against daily issues.  Experimenting on yourself with extremely high doses of a food preservative is a poor long term plan. 

Alternatively a potentially complimentary antiviral in a class known as helicase primase inhibitors has been approved in Japan under the name Amenelief.  Members of the site discuss obtaining it and their experience with it in this thread.  The price to obtain enough for suppression sounds expensive.  The combination of Valacyclovir and Amenelief would almost certainly make more of a meaningful difference than BHT.

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4 hours ago, StayingUpbeat said:

BHT is one of those things that comes around as potential "treatment" every few years.  The bottom line is: if it has any effect at all, the effect is mild and does not alter the number of recurrences.  There were a few topical investigations with BHT that showed a slight decrease in the severity of outbreaks that did not achieve statistical significance. 

If you are in fact having unrelenting recurrences of HSV while on high doses of Acyclovir you should see a licensed dermatologist and discuss options.  There are second line HSV drugs such as Foscarnet Sodium that can be combined with or taken in lieu of Acyclovir/Valacyclovir (though it requires routine blood monitoring).  A more powerful, but potentially more dangerous, antiviral called valcyte is also a potential option but it's long term risks needs to be carefully weighed against daily issues.  Experimenting on yourself with extremely high doses of a food preservative is a poor long term plan. 

Alternatively a potentially complimentary antiviral in a class known as helicase primase inhibitors has been approved in Japan under the name Amenelief.  Members of the site discuss obtaining it and their experience with it in this thread.  The price to obtain enough for suppression sounds expensive.  The combination of Valacyclovir and Amenelief would almost certainly make more of a meaningful difference than BHT.

I totally agree with you an am very sceptical BHT will have any effect. If it was as great as some describe, it would be certainly more popular. Thanks for the suggestions of other antivirals, I have not heard of the first two. I haven't found any specialist in my area who could help either, as all the hospitals and doctors do is prescrime me more Acyclovir

I've also read a lot about Amenelief, but at the moment the price is way too high for suppressive treatment. Otherwise, I would have ordered it immediately.

In any case, lets see what happens! 

Day 2:

No side effects experienced so far from a 500mg dose and topical applications. 

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Day 5 

For the first few days I had all blisters and redness disappear, which already got me excited that it was working. I also started feeling mentally/physically much better, I think the virus is the cause of the lethargy and general feeling of not being well I've been suffering with for a long time. 

Unfortunately however, a pile of blisters just appeared with a lot of redness and the lethargic feeling is back. 

Starting today I'll be bumping the dose up to 1000mg/d and see for a couple of weeks, if it doesn't work I will drop it (unless there is any research or experiences that it would take time to work?). 

ps. I will be also seeing a specialist doctor in a very expensive private hospital tomorrow. Doubt they'll suggest anything more than Acyclovir, but lets see what they say.. 

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On 11/6/2018 at 6:56 PM, Bring me Hope said:

please keep us posted

 

Day 8 

I have an active outbreak despite increasing dosage to around 1000mg/d and daily topical application. I will be stopping this experiment as soon as my SADBE arrives (might be tomorrow) for a new experiment, unless anyone has anykind of claims, experience or data that indicates BHT takes a while to start working. 

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Hi, this is my first post on this forum.  I have been suffering hsv-2 in my mouth for going on three years.  I got it in Thailand, and I think it is an extreme strain as I was getting non-stop breakouts for the first year and a half before I started waging my war against it.  Fevers, sweat, swollen neck, I think I have hashimotos, 2-4 outbreaks per month, virtually non-stop.  I started on Valtrex 500mg twice per day about a year ago and helped a little bit, but not much.  I started BHT about 6 weeks ago and it has given me my life back.  I was quite reluctant to try it, but I finally decided that it is better to take a little risk with it than to continue suffering.  The results have been amazing.  I live in a beach resort in Mexico and since starting on it I am able to job 10k/ day and swim 80 minutes.  Previously, just a 1k walk in the sun would have caused a breakout.  BHT has given me my life back.  My current regimen includes NAC, Glutamine, oregano oil, pregnenolone, dhea, ashwaghanda, low dose naltrexone, selenium,  Valtrex (down to 500mg day since starting bht and looking to drop it altogether as it doesn't do any thing against my strain), BHT 500mg 2x day - I tried bht at 500mg day but I had to go to 1gram per day to get it to work, everybody is different, but I'm 220 pound athletic frame guy and that's what it takes for me to keep this thing in remission.  If this seems extreme it is.  I've tried a lot of other things, all the herbs etc.  It took me a year to figure this regimen out.  Prior to this I had extreme brain fog, constant extreme fatigue, fevers, etc.  I've seen 5 different doctors, all of whom say it is unusual and just advise valtrex, which is a joke, as valtrex did absolutely nothing for me.  My next step is do drop that crap and replace it with creatine.  I am currently living my life again, exercising heavily every day, I could do a triathlon now.  Although when I push it to hard, and take an occasional drop of iodine, it flares, but it's next to nothing, I felt it coming on a little bit last night, a bit warm and tired, but it's already gone.  The iodine gives me a huge boos of energy but for some reason it stimulates the hsv has well, so I don't normally use it.  I really hit it hard yesterday, 4 hours in the hot sun, ran hard the second leg of my course.  Anyways, I did a lot of research on bht and I believe it is safe.  The only fear was the endocrine disruption possibility, but I read a few papers that put that to rest.  It definitely works.  If you are desperate and dying as I was, and the Valtrex doesn't work for you, definitely give it a try.  Just a thanks to all the brave posters here.  I have been reading in the shadows for couple of years and thank you all for sharing your experiences here.  May god hear our prayers and a true healing vaccine arrive before too long.  

 

God Bless!     

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On 10/31/2018 at 8:21 PM, StayingUpbeat said:

BHT is one of those things that comes around as potential "treatment" every few years.  The bottom line is: if it has any effect at all, the effect is mild and does not alter the number of recurrences.  There were a few topical investigations with BHT that showed a slight decrease in the severity of outbreaks that did not achieve statistical significance. 

If you are in fact having unrelenting recurrences of HSV while on high doses of Acyclovir you should see a licensed dermatologist and discuss options.  There are second line HSV drugs such as Foscarnet Sodium that can be combined with or taken in lieu of Acyclovir/Valacyclovir (though it requires routine blood monitoring).  A more powerful, but potentially more dangerous, antiviral called valcyte is also a potential option but it's long term risks needs to be carefully weighed against daily issues.  Experimenting on yourself with extremely high doses of a food preservative is a poor long term plan. 

Alternatively a potentially complimentary antiviral in a class known as helicase primase inhibitors has been approved in Japan under the name Amenelief.  Members of the site discuss obtaining it and their experience with it in this thread.  The price to obtain enough for suppression sounds expensive.  The combination of Valacyclovir and Amenelief would almost certainly make more of a meaningful difference than BHT.

I'm sorry, but your post is what brought about my first post ever.  You could not be more wrong.  BHT has completely stopped my herpes from non-stop 4+ breakouts per month to virtually nil.  

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2 hours ago, jmherped said:

I'm sorry, but your post is what brought about my first post ever.  You could not be more wrong.  BHT has completely stopped my herpes from non-stop 4+ breakouts per month to virtually nil.  

Do you take it daily bro ? 

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I took bht on/off for the last few years. It does help me from getting a out break, but after you stop taking it out breaks will come back. I find siberian ginseng taking daily is way better and prevents out breaks better then bht or valtrex 

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1 hour ago, GSXR 1000 said:

I took bht on/off for the last few years. It does help me from getting a out break, but after you stop taking it out breaks will come back. I find siberian ginseng taking daily is way better and prevents out breaks better then bht or valtrex 

Does that help with constant nerve activation and inflamed lymph nodes

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17 hours ago, moialbalushi said:

Do you take it daily bro ? 

Yes, I take it twice daily.  I take 500mg with about two tablespoons of coconut oil and 12 drops of oregano oil.  It tastes like hell, really gross, but I hold it in my mouth for a bout 15 minutes as it works well applied directly to infection and it absorbs sublingually under tongue, and then swallow it.  It does cause some stomach discomfort, but nothing too bad.  I have not had an outbreak since being on one gram per day, as compared to 2+ breakouts per month while on Valtrex, which does very little for me.  And not only have I not had an outbreak, but I have completely changed my lifestyle.  On valtrex I could not workout, now I train like a beast with no fear of an outbreak.  With the BHT I have control of my life back.  I can train as hard as I want without worrying about getting sick.  So happy.  I thought about taking it for a couple of years, and when nothing else was working I finally did a bunch of research on it and was confident enough in its safety to give it a try.  So glad I did.  I take low dose naltrexone as well, which seems to help as well.  You can vary the bht dosage as well.  I felt a bit of an outbreak coming on a couple of days ago after taking iodine, which always makes me breakout, and a really heavy 4-5 hour workout (8 Mile Run, 90 minute open ocean swim - which was impossible before bht).  I have been doing that workout every day for a month now, no breakouts.  BHT works.  Now I am no longer living in fear about doing strenuous things or being stressed out with my work.  So as I was saying, I was feeling it coming on a couple of days ago, took an extra half gram of bht yesterday, and nuked it right out.  No 10-12 day cycle of hell sweats, fatigue, etc.  I have a severe strain of herpes, really crazy, so I take this stuff every day.  I thought my life was over after two and a half years of severe illness.  Nothing worked.  At one point I was taking like 30 things.. It was a full time job popping pills.  Anyways, bht is all you need.  If I had to choose just one thing in my current stack, it would be bht.  I am so grateful that it works.  Don't be afraid of it.  I read every research paper I could find on it and talked personally with Steven Fowkes.  It is safe, a lot safer than valtrex.  If you are suffering, don't be afraid to try it.  It works for me. 

 

Best,

 

Herped 

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15 hours ago, tayelle said:

Does that help with constant nerve activation and inflamed lymph nodes

The low dose naltrexone I take has helped reduce neck swelling and gives you a nice warm glow as it calms the immune system at the nervous system level.  I bought a box of 30 50mg tabs here in Mexico for about 100 bucks, a year suppply.  The ldn/bht combo is great, life changing for me.  

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On 11/10/2018 at 2:01 AM, jmherped said:

Hi, this is my first post on this forum.  I have been suffering hsv-2 in my mouth for going on three years.  I got it in Thailand, and I think it is an extreme strain as I was getting non-stop breakouts for the first year and a half before I started waging my war against it.  Fevers, sweat, swollen neck, I think I have hashimotos, 2-4 outbreaks per month, virtually non-stop.  I started on Valtrex 500mg twice per day about a year ago and helped a little bit, but not much.  I started BHT about 6 weeks ago and it has given me my life back.  I was quite reluctant to try it, but I finally decided that it is better to take a little risk with it than to continue suffering.  The results have been amazing.  I live in a beach resort in Mexico and since starting on it I am able to job 10k/ day and swim 80 minutes.  Previously, just a 1k walk in the sun would have caused a breakout.  BHT has given me my life back.  My current regimen includes NAC, Glutamine, oregano oil, pregnenolone, dhea, ashwaghanda, low dose naltrexone, selenium,  Valtrex (down to 500mg day since starting bht and looking to drop it altogether as it doesn't do any thing against my strain), BHT 500mg 2x day - I tried bht at 500mg day but I had to go to 1gram per day to get it to work, everybody is different, but I'm 220 pound athletic frame guy and that's what it takes for me to keep this thing in remission.  If this seems extreme it is.  I've tried a lot of other things, all the herbs etc.  It took me a year to figure this regimen out.  Prior to this I had extreme brain fog, constant extreme fatigue, fevers, etc.  I've seen 5 different doctors, all of whom say it is unusual and just advise valtrex, which is a joke, as valtrex did absolutely nothing for me.  My next step is do drop that crap and replace it with creatine.  I am currently living my life again, exercising heavily every day, I could do a triathlon now.  Although when I push it to hard, and take an occasional drop of iodine, it flares, but it's next to nothing, I felt it coming on a little bit last night, a bit warm and tired, but it's already gone.  The iodine gives me a huge boos of energy but for some reason it stimulates the hsv has well, so I don't normally use it.  I really hit it hard yesterday, 4 hours in the hot sun, ran hard the second leg of my course.  Anyways, I did a lot of research on bht and I believe it is safe.  The only fear was the endocrine disruption possibility, but I read a few papers that put that to rest.  It definitely works.  If you are desperate and dying as I was, and the Valtrex doesn't work for you, definitely give it a try.  Just a thanks to all the brave posters here.  I have been reading in the shadows for couple of years and thank you all for sharing your experiences here.  May god hear our prayers and a true healing vaccine arrive before too long.  

 

God Bless!     

That's interesting, how long did it take for it to start working? 

I have an exactly similar strain of HSV2 like you and I also got it from Thailand. Maybe it's the same one who knows :O 

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On 11/11/2018 at 1:48 PM, viralfrog said:

That's interesting, how long did it take for it to start working? 

I have an exactly similar strain of HSV2 like you and I also got it from Thailand. Maybe it's the same one who knows :O 

Well, it's a bad one.  And the girl that gave it to me was suffering really badly from it as well, though she decided not to tell me about it anyways.  Totally ruined my life.  Anyways, the bht works very well for me where the valtrex does very little to suppress the strain or strains I am carrying.  The valtrex at best gives about a 15% improvement for me.  BHT has allowed me to get back to living.  I've been on it for about six weeks now, I've lost count, time flies.  The first two weeks I was figuring out the dose that works for me, which is about 1 gram per day.  Since getting up the 1 gram level I have had just one minor breakout, and it only lasted about 3 days and was nothing.  This while training really hard every day.  Previously I was bed ridden, in a chronic brain dead feverish fog for a long time.  I was done.  Anyways, very happy that the bht gives me relief.  I just started taking it with honey which totally masks the taste.  I heat up a tablespoon or two of coconut oil on low heat in a steel soup ladle, add the bht and honey and stir.  Really tasty, not at all bad keeping it the mouth like that, hard part is to not swallow it actually.  I also take methylene blue, not sure I mentioned that, but four drops of that really helps to give the body a huge energy boost and overcome and fatigue issues, and it kills hsv as well when photo activated by solar radiation.  Praying for a vaccine soon though.  Society really seems to hate us herpsters...   

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