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Gems
On 12/8/2018 at 6:32 AM, chinga said:

you're only stating the obvious. 

HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, I'm interested in the patterns this particular disease takes on. if you don't have any further info, don't bother responding.

absolutely in fact you could have caught it off a shared towel or your own towel. It is less than usual but it depends on your immune system. Say you dry an are shedding and then dry another area. They say that spreading to other parts is only poss throu cuts etc - but I haven't found this to be the case. I would trust neg swabs either and i've read some real curlies on diagnosing.

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6 hours ago, Gems said:

absolutely in fact you could have caught it off a shared towel or your own towel. It is less than usual but it depends on your immune system. Say you dry an are shedding and then dry another area. They say that spreading to other parts is only poss throu cuts etc - but I haven't found this to be the case. I would trust neg swabs either and i've read some real curlies on diagnosing.

This is total BS and scaremongering. Please study further on here and elsewhere to learn a few more facts. 

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1 hour ago, WilsoInAus said:

This is total BS and scaremongering. Please study further on here and elsewhere to learn a few more facts. 

it happened to me i think i should know.;

1 hour ago, WilsoInAus said:

This is total BS and scaremongering. Please study further on here and elsewhere to learn a few more facts. 

someone caught it off me off a towel. it bloody well happens.

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19 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

This is total BS and scaremongering. Please study further on here and elsewhere to learn a few more facts. 

I have seen your advise on a few threads and to be honest while I am over careful at times you are not careful enough. This can absolutely happen and people should be well aware of the fact to prevent it from happening. I supposedly have good immunity on labs too. You just cant tell who will pick it up. It can live on surfaces for up to eight hours and towels that are wet and warm and that make micro abrasions when rubbed on skin are ways that transmission that can occur. You will often find out more by spending many hours reading on threads than your doctors. SO no it doesn't always just involve a cut on the skin. How do you think people get it else where.

So please DO NOT swear at me as this is a possibility and this person should careful tick all his bases before ruling it out, cos on the rare case it is I wouldnt want his life totally ruined. Cos if it gets everywhere your life kinda is.

It's called caring.       

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ANd eight hours is on a surface...on a towel who knows. The eight hours was a quote off a thread a long time ago of worst case senerio. Obviously it doesnt survive double touching unless its some weird arse almost immediate thing off a shedding site and this is all WORST case scenerio. HSV shouldnt be treated with stigma...but for everyones well being it should be treated as carefully as poss. It is a highly contagious condition and can be difficult to diagnose and GP's will let you walk away thinking you are clear when you are not if you do not do your due diligence.    

I knew more about it than the specialists at the hospital I was refereed to. 

Thanks. :)

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On 12/7/2018 at 4:07 PM, chinga said:

You tell me that only I have the ability to know yet YOU think you know better? you're straight contradicting your self. what authority do you have exactly to write off my suspicions? none more than I do. 

get off your high horse. blatantly hypocritical, two faced commentary do NOTHING to help the community especially since I'm asking a hypothetical.

you have the fucking audacity to post one statement replies and think that merits an understanding on your part? maybe try posting links or articles or even a fucking ANECDOTE, you literal sophist.

I wouldn't bother with this dude, His has a bit of a reputation of being a know-it-all. According to his logic, Your entire body could be covered with cold sores and blisters but unless you've got a positive IGg and had your entire spinal ganglion analyzed you don't have herpes and should just catch some rest.

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1 hour ago, 2kroc said:

I wouldn't bother with this dude, His has a bit of a reputation of being a know-it-all. According to his logic, Your entire body could be covered with cold sores and blisters but unless you've got a positive IGg and had your entire spinal ganglion analyzed you don't have herpes and should just catch some rest.

Ref required but I believe:

IgG can give false negs.
Western Blot is more reliable as follow up test.

Swabs can give false negs.
Biopsy is far more reliable.

It can be spread to other parts of the body via physical contact with a SHEDDING SITE usually with some FRICTION, towels, personal items.

Having a strain of say HSV 1 or 2 doesn't mean you cannot catch a second strain. Some strains are nastier than others!!!

Symptoms can be a-typical. Cuts that appear from no where, pealing skin, chaffing, rashes, irritation, tingling or throbbing. Or little blisters that do not pop. Other symptoms I guess poss this are the ones I know about. 

It is heresay that it can last on a surface 8 hours, LONGER ON A TOWEL OR WET CLOTHS.

If you do not follow up with your GP you can go undiagnosed assuming a neg test is all clear, they will not always follow up.

Any symptoms on your body/skin needs to be identified as something. IF IT IS NOT ID'D AS SOMETHING IT IS SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING COULD BE HERPES.

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WilsoInAus

@Gems no I’m sorry this is unacceptable.

There is no known case of transmission of HSV-2 via a towel.

Once you have an established infection, it is virtually impossible to spread it to a new location.

You cannot obtain a second ‘strain’ of the same type, negligible chance of that too.

Simples!

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20 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

@Gems no I’m sorry this is unacceptable.

There is no known case of transmission of HSV-2 via a towel.

Once you have an established infection, it is virtually impossible to spread it to a new location.

You cannot obtain a second ‘strain’ of the same type, negligible chance of that too.

Simples!

WilsonAus this happen to me. I have herpes all over my body and someone caught it off me via a towel.  I am flagging your comment to admin simply for the fact you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH ALL THE LOVE IN MY HEART FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HELP. 

Just now, Gems said:

WilsonAus this happen to me. I have herpes all over my body and someone caught it off me via a towel.  I am flagging your comment to admin simply for the fact you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH ALL THE LOVE IN MY HEART FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HELP. 

I have two strains. YES YOU CAN IT WAS VERY PAINFUL THE SECOND STRAIN. 

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1 hour ago, Gems said:

WilsonAus this happen to me. I have herpes all over my body and someone caught it off me via a towel.  I am flagging your comment to admin simply for the fact you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH ALL THE LOVE IN MY HEART FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HELP. 

I have two strains. YES YOU CAN IT WAS VERY PAINFUL THE SECOND STRAIN. 

No, you are a TROLL and a fake and will be dealt with appropriately.

You are clearly not here for help, not asking any questions for understanding or sharing what is going on.

We haven’t see such behaviour for a little while, it does seem like you may well be one of our longer term trolls. However, a troll, is a troll, is a troll!

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37 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

No, you are a TROLL and a fake and will be dealt with appropriately.

You are clearly not here for help, not asking any questions for understanding or sharing what is going on.

We haven’t see such behaviour for a little while, it does seem like you may well be one of our longer term trolls. However, a troll, is a troll, is a troll!

I am not a troll. I am well informed about what happened to me.

I suggest you look at Maryland University. While what I am saying is rarer it is absolutely possible. For goodness sake you were on a post with numerous men experiencing very difficult to diagnose symptoms and you were telling they were fine to do medical dogma that is contrary to people's own personal experiences.

I suggest you start LISTENING to what people are experiencing over what your medical professional tells you.

In regards to my opinion on cures...well you are well entitled to politely disagree with me. I have a moral responsibility as there is a chance this guy had shedding in the genital area and has spread the infection down his leg. While rare this can happen and I have a moral responsibility he follows due process to rule it out. That includes identifying WHAT the infection is. If it is not yeast, not bacterial and net viral on swabs it is something. And the process needs to be followed till it is found out what it is on the small chance it could be a herpes infection. 

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1 hour ago, WilsoInAus said:

No, you are a TROLL and a fake and will be dealt with appropriately.

You are clearly not here for help, not asking any questions for understanding or sharing what is going on.

We haven’t see such behaviour for a little while, it does seem like you may well be one of our longer term trolls. However, a troll, is a troll, is a troll!

"Infected people should take steps to avoid transmitting genital herpes to others. It is almost impossible to defend against the transmission of oral herpes, because it can be transmitted by very casual contact, including kissing. Still, you can help reduce the risk of transmitting oral herpes by not sharing objects that touch the mouth, such as eating and drinking utensils, toothbrushes, and towels."
https://www.umms.org/ummc/patients-visitors/health-library/in-depth-patient-education-reports/articles/herpes-simplex
While this is written in regards to transmission of HSV1 I do not know why you would assume this is not possible with HSV2. And as I have HSV2 I think I am aware of what happened to me.

I wonder has someone tried to raise this with you before. If so I am sorry if they were treated poorly for trying to tell the truth. I am not interesting in correct your threads, but I have a moral responsibility for the small sub set where your info doesn't apply and is quite frankly faulty.

I understand you spend a lot of time answering questions as you are a kind person. I did not report your comment to kick you off or to be an arsehole. I did it because there appears to be a gap in the commonly medical information and peoples experiences on the ground, and particularly in your advise on some threads. I do not want to have to follow your threads that is awful. I want to see people getting a good balance of information to make sensible informed decisions.

I understand why blood tests are not always done at sexual health clinics without symptoms due to false positives. I understand about reducing the stigma - but at the same time caution does need to be applied in the diagnostic process and doctors are not always explaining this to patients. I have seen a number of people here thinking their symptoms coming back on one neg on a swab means they are fine when what they were describing sounds very much like herpes to me.   

I suggest you dig around on threads for a few years and starting taking note of the rarer circumstances that happen to people to understand a bit more about it.

I understand what I am saying makes it a bit of a scary freaky thing and I can tell you I am HELL traumatised by it. I realise the stigma needs to be put to rest, however there needs to be a balance and people need to be aware of the less than usual circumstances.  

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floydmonk

I agree with you gem, I think people need to follow precautions within bounds of the most extreme scenarios in order to live their lives comfortably without fear of transmission or complication. 

Wilson provides a lot of advice on the forum and I am thankful for it, but I he does put an optimistic spin on it which often precludes the “technically possible” scenarios. 

I try to change my towels often and I am extra careful to not go near my eyes when I reuse a wet towel. The references gen provided are widely accepted CDC documentation.

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14 minutes ago, floydmonk said:

I agree with you gem, I think people need to follow precautions within bounds of the most extreme scenarios in order to live their lives comfortably without fear of transmission or complication. 

Wilson provides a lot of advice on the forum and I am thankful for it, but I he does put an optimistic spin on it which often precludes the “technically possible” scenarios. 

I try to change my towels often and I am extra careful to not go near my eyes when I reuse a wet towel. The references gen provided are widely accepted CDC documentation.

I want to start a working group thread for a proper check list when I have time. Including anecdotal accounts from threads. There are somethings I do not know, and it would be great if we could rake through and collate everything a bit better, particularly with people who have less than usual experiences.

I realise what I am saying is a bit over the top but people need to understand that medically you cannot state something unless it is a known proven medical fact. That means like you may read threads about someone contracting herpes whitlow say as a cashier althou the doctor who diagnosed it as probably happening that way may say it isn't possible. This is an aecdotal account and as far as I am concerned if you read it happening to other people and it can happen to you it happens no matter what a doctor may tell you.

I've seen threads with young people having great trouble getting a diagnosis and the doctor hasn't even suggested a bioposy. Medically they cannot say it is herpes without the testing, so they just let the patient go RATHER than saying we do not know...it could be bacterial/fungal/viral you have to keep coming back or try biopsy. The testing is just as bad at times for diagnosing as falsely diagnosing.  

As for catching a second strain that I have two strains of HSV2 is an assumption. I had a very benign HSV infection that gave me ZERO issues for the most part till I caught a second type off my partner who cheated on me with unprotected sex. I have since tested pos HSV2 on IgG. Both infections are active and I only tst for HSV2. I have read about this happening to other people. I recall that same thread warning people you can catch other strains. I will stand to be corrected on this on further research. 

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I too would love a thread as you’ve suggested Gems. Anecdotal accounts would be very helpful.

Being new to this I have a lot to learn and appreciate any proven advice, suggestions and anecdotes. I don’t want to be scammed-none of us do.

I know that everyones body may respond differently to each method but if we can collectively come up with suggestions, evidence etc in one thread that would be helpful. 

Perhaps even dedicating a seperate thread for discussing differing points of view raised in the thread Gems suggested can be set up so as to not ‘clog’ up the thread? I don’t know. Just thinking out aloud.

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4 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

No, you are a TROLL and a fake and will be dealt with appropriately.

You are clearly not here for help, not asking any questions for understanding or sharing what is going on.

We haven’t see such behaviour for a little while, it does seem like you may well be one of our longer term trolls. However, a troll, is a troll, is a troll!

If you have herpes, are you immune to a second infection from someone else?

Genital herpes is a sexually transmitted infection caused by herpes simplex type 1 (HSV-1) or herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2).

People with one strain of herpes can get another. Since immunity is important, it is generally thought that getting herpes a second time is much harder than getting it the first time. Transmission of type 2 genital herpes to a person who has antibodies against type 2 herpes is rare. Studies have shown that a person with genital herpes can catch a new case of genital herpes, but other studies have shown that this happens only rarely. In most cases, if a person with genital herpes catches genital herpes while with a partner, they are catching it from themselves – having a recurrence. Type-specific antibodies against your own strain of virus make it very difficult to catch a second infection of the same strain from a different person.

https://medbroadcast.com/channel/infection/herpes/herpes-can-i-be-infected-twice

Yeah SO I GOT ALL THE RARE SCREWED UP SHIT COS MY IMMUNITY SUCKS.

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WilsoInAus

@Gems ahh. Now I know what’s going on. Let me guess you got herpes from a cucumber sandwich and spread it to your whole body.

I also gues you have never tested positive.

Please disregard this known troll and fake.

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9 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

@Gems ahh. Now I know what’s going on. Let me guess you got herpes from a cucumber sandwich and spread it to your whole body.

I also gues you have never tested positive.

Please disregard this known troll and fake.

Hi WilsonAust,

I am not sure of your cognitive dysfunction; however, I provided two quotes from reputable sources. Also due to the lack of knowledge and information in the medical profession I have spent a lot of time digging through anecdotal accounts to actual understand people's direct experiences with this disease. I was lucky I managed to find an older experienced nurse who was very supportive through my process with the doctors understanding I knew how I got this disease, what it was and the difficult process of getting the diagnosis. I would never have survived the headf**k without her. If your information is direct from the sexual health clinics in your country I am concerned. I wonder when the last time was you interacted with these services for your information. 

No, getting herpes from a cucumber sandwich would be impossible. Although if you wiped a cucumber on a wet lesion and then rubbed that somewhere else on you that might be possible. However, a wet towel is the perfect environment for the virus to survive on. Particularly if the towel is used within a very short time frame with friction or rubbing as this mimics the action of how it is spread. Other surfaces I am less certain on, but I do know people can catch oral herpes off cups and glasses in some situations if not washed properly. If you have herpes whitlow I think you should proceed with caution particularly with money/pens/doorknobs/handshaking as it passes between two people quickly and involves friction and rubbing.

I am deeply concerned that you do not recommend biopsy's for those who are clearly experiencing herpes. I really like you and I think you are a good person and would really like to help you work this out. I am deeply concerned by the information you are giving out and fear if the wrong person speaks to you who is experiencing a less than usual experience that they may have herpes and they would walk away undiagnosed and give the disease to someone else, or worse as you would not make people aware of the rarer circumstances.    

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9 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

@Gems ahh. Now I know what’s going on. Let me guess you got herpes from a cucumber sandwich and spread it to your whole body.

I also gues you have never tested positive.

Please disregard this known troll and fake.

I am also concerned for you as you may not be using best practice to avoid rarer circumstances for yourself and I'd be concerned you would totally miss it and go into denial if it did happen to you.

I am honestly very concerned in general. :( 

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5 hours ago, Gems said:

I am also concerned for you as you may not be using best practice to avoid rarer circumstances for yourself and I'd be concerned you would totally miss it and go into denial if it did happen to you.

I am honestly very concerned in general. :( 

No need for you to be concerned in any way.

You did not obtain herpes from a towel nor transmit it that way.

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56 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

No need for you to be concerned in any way.

You did not obtain herpes from a towel nor transmit it that way.

I provided you with evidence from Maryland University that it can be transmitted in rare circumstances via objects. I explained the mechanism by which this occurs. I am sure this is some legal limbo, but when stated this to people I do think you should err on the side of caution and state:

"While many medical people think it is not possible to catch herpes off objects Maryland university does state this is possible in rare circumstance.

There have been anecdotal accounts of this occurring to some members."

Another member has pointed out I am correct and that it is supported by the CDC.

It is my personal opinion that your advise borders on negligence and breech of duty of care. I think that the forum is poorly run. I hope you never give the advise to the wrong person and this forum doesn't get sued.

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No, this is not pragmatically correct. If it were, why are there only so termed ‘anecdotal’ accounts? This is just some PhD students trying to make a name for themselves. 

Terri Warren in over 35 years of working with herpes has never seen transmission by a towel. She has even offered a million dollars to anyone who can show her they were infected with a towel!!!

By crikey, not a moment to lose, ring Terri to claim it!!!

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On 12/8/2018 at 8:31 AM, chinga said:

yeah I do actually. I asked kindly for you to leave, after not providing a clear response.

 

if you can't be clear about what you're saying, what fucking business do you have continuing to try and stick your point into the conversation.

that's the goal of the OP, I made a request and you gave a baseless claim, removed from the context of what I was asking. you insist on proving something, but provided nothing. 

fuck off.

You can use the ignore button however they will still see your comments.

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14 hours ago, WilsoInAus said:

No, this is not pragmatically correct. If it were, why are there only so termed ‘anecdotal’ accounts? This is just some PhD students trying to make a name for themselves. 

Terri Warren in over 35 years of working with herpes has never seen transmission by a towel. She has even offered a million dollars to anyone who can show her they were infected with a towel!!!

By crikey, not a moment to lose, ring Terri to claim it!!!

Not really wanting to call Terry.  I'll be checking the term anecdotal as I agree it may not be the best term. Maryland University seems to disagree and there was a researcher looking into random transmissions off poss objects in the eighties.

There are two cases of torts in the USA in regards to transmission from surfaces. These require a 50% probability in causation and would be medically confirmed. I would say the reason it is less documented as people just deal with it and get on with their lives or it happens more frequently in lower socio economic groups that all just go into denial.

I'm collecting the less than usual experiences Wilson, and not all professionals agree with Terry. These myths in my experience do not always get around with no basis.

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