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Staystrong25

Hi all, gf has hsv2 and not on meds yet, she’s completed the first year. We havent had sex. Anyway if we did we would use condoms and she would take meds.

 

how can I prevent transmission to me ? Can I do oral on her without it being passed to my mouth? 

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Lieb

With meds and condoms I've read multiple times that the risk of transmission is reduced to 1%. There is no way to prevent transmission at a 100% rate, just be careful and avoid any type of sex (even rubbing) during an OB since the very first prodromal symptoms appear (burning, itching, or tingling near where the virus first entered the body), until the lessions are healed.

50 minutes ago, Staystrong25 said:

 Can I do oral on her without it being passed to my mouth?  

HSV-2 can be transmitted to your mouth, although its harder than being transmitted to your genitals since type-2 "prefers" the lower part of the body. If you want to be safer you can use dental dam. If you take the risk, avoid performing oral sex when you have any woud or sore in your mouth, or even if you have sore throat since any opening in your mucous membrane can be an entrance for the virus.

I hope to be helpful

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Newone2

You can’t prevent transmission. If you choose to engage in physical contact be prepared to eventually get herpes. Condoms lower the risk and so do the meds but she will always be contagious at random times with or without symptoms. 

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5 hours ago, Lieb said:

With meds and condoms I've read multiple times that the risk of transmission is reduced to 1%. There is no way to prevent transmission at a 100% rate, just be careful and avoid any type of sex (even rubbing) during an OB since the very first prodromal symptoms appear (burning, itching, or tingling near where the virus first entered the body), until the lessions are healed.

HSV-2 can be transmitted to your mouth, although its harder than being transmitted to your genitals since type-2 "prefers" the lower part of the body. If you want to be safer you can use dental dam. If you take the risk, avoid performing oral sex when you have any woud or sore in your mouth, or even if you have sore throat since any opening in your mucous membrane can be an entrance for the virus.

I hope to be helpful

Hi bud, thanks, tbh I dnt need to do oral on her really. However she showed me where she had outbreaks so it was on labia outside, not near clit, surely if I was to just lick the clit there’s no virus on that part as outbreak would. E on labia...

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4 hours ago, Newone2 said:

You can’t prevent transmission. If you choose to engage in physical contact be prepared to eventually get herpes. Condoms lower the risk and so do the meds but she will always be contagious at random times with or without symptoms. 

I think most pass it on when they don’t realise or not on meds and don’t use condoms, from studies I read the risk is very very low, are you male and do u have hsv. Or what do u have ?

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BioHacker

Relax man. With meds and condoms the risk is less than 1% per year, assuming sex twice per week. With no precautions and no knowledge of the condition, the risk of female-to-male transmission is 8% per year. With awareness of the condition (avoiding sex with outbreaks), but no condoms or meds, the risk is 4% per year. Adding suppressive meds would bring the risk down to 2% per year. Adding condoms would bring the risk to 0.7% per year (all assuming sex 2x per week).

The 0.7% risk per year equates to a 1-in-140 year event. It COULD happen, but statistically you are more likely to die of old age before it does.

As an aside, the risk of male-to-female transmission taking all precautions is even lower (a 1-in-600 year event) - this is because condoms are more effective at preventing male-to-female transmission than female-to-male transmission (likely due to anatomical differences).

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14 minutes ago, BioHacker said:

Relax man. With meds and condoms the risk is less than 1% per year, assuming sex twice per week. With no precautions and no knowledge of the condition, the risk of female-to-male transmission is 8% per year. With awareness of the condition (avoiding sex with outbreaks), but no condoms or meds, the risk is 4% per year. Adding suppressive meds would bring the risk down to 2% per year. Adding condoms would bring the risk to 0.7% per year (all assuming sex 2x per week).

 

The 0.7% risk per year equates to a 1-in-140 year event. It COULD happen, but statistically you are more likely to die of old age before it does.

 

As an aside, the risk of male-to-female transmission taking all precautions is even lower (a 1-in-600 year event) - this is because condoms are more effective at preventing male-to-female transmission than female-to-male transmission (likely due to anatomical differences).

 

 

 

Yea, tbh not scared but f hsv2, just want to know best way to protect me. I’ve read the study you are referring to as well, risk fema,e to male is low, even without condoms, with condoms and meds and no sex on outbreaks, before tingling feeling and after outbreaks for a week.... should be ok.

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BioHacker

You could always wear a pair of latex shorts to prevent skin-to-skin contact. If you did that, the risk would be virtually nothing. It just wouldn't be very convenient. Female condoms might help a bit with female-to-male risk, but haven't seen any studies on that. Also probably would not be very convenient though.

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24 minutes ago, BioHacker said:

You could always wear a pair of latex shorts to prevent skin-to-skin contact. If you did that, the risk would be virtually nothing. It just wouldn't be very convenient. Female condoms might help a bit with female-to-male risk, but haven't seen any studies on that. Also probably would not be very convenient though.

Do you have a link to buy the ones you talking aBout? Do you use them too? 

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You can Google any of those things, but I don't think they are necessary. It would likely be cumbersome. And, like I said, there is no real way to quantify the benefit statistically - it's just making an assumption why there is the female-to-male difference for condom effectiveness, and then thinking of ways to potentially mitigate it (in theory). You can even get full body 1mm thick latex, wear a condom underneath it or over it just to be extra safe, and be you'd be pretty much impervious to any and all non-airborne pathogens, but it might seem a little awkward if the GF isn't already into that sort of thing.

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4 hours ago, BioHacker said:

You can Google any of those things, but I don't think they are necessary. It would likely be cumbersome. And, like I said, there is no real way to quantify the benefit statistically - it's just making an assumption why there is the female-to-male difference for condom effectiveness, and then thinking of ways to potentially mitigate it (in theory). You can even get full body 1mm thick latex, wear a condom underneath it or over it just to be extra safe, and be you'd be pretty much impervious to any and all non-airborne pathogens, but it might seem a little awkward if the GF isn't already into that sort of thing.

This seems too over the top! 

 

Thanks anyway 

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16 hours ago, Staystrong25 said:

I think most pass it on when they don’t realise or not on meds and don’t use condoms, from studies I read the risk is very very low, are you male and do u have hsv. Or what do u have ?

That is true and exactly what happened to me. The girl that gave me herpes didn’t feel the need to disclose her oral herpes to me. She showed no signs or symptoms when she gave me ghsv1 by giving me oral. The risk may be low but I don’t think I believe that statistic. If it was low there wouldn’t be so many people with it. I’m male with ghsv1 from oral.

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25 minutes ago, Newone2 said:

That is true and exactly what happened to me. The girl that gave me herpes didn’t feel the need to disclose her oral herpes to me. She showed no signs or symptoms when she gave me ghsv1 by giving me oral. The risk may be low but I don’t think I believe that statistic. If it was low there wouldn’t be so many people with it. I’m male with ghsv1 from oral.

Ok how can I be protected? I’ve advised her to have blood test for hsv1 now too so will go to clinic with her week end.... she had swab for hsv2 too last year after clinic sent her away saying she had sweat bumps and not hsv.. she went back few weeks later after outbreak, the clinic swabbed it and got a text saying she has herpes , the rest hiv, clymdia ,gonorrhea etc she was negative for 

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55 minutes ago, Staystrong25 said:

Ok how can I be protected? I’ve advised her to have blood test for hsv1 now too so will go to clinic with her week end.... she had swab for hsv2 too last year after clinic sent her away saying she had sweat bumps and not hsv.. she went back few weeks later after outbreak, the clinic swabbed it and got a text saying she has herpes , the rest hiv, clymdia ,gonorrhea etc she was negative for 

You can’t be 100% protected no matter what you do. If she takes medication and you wear condoms it will supposedly lower your risk but there is always a chance you can catch it. That’s the truth.

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3 hours ago, Newone2 said:

You can’t be 100% protected no matter what you do. If she takes medication and you wear condoms it will supposedly lower your risk but there is always a chance you can catch it. That’s the truth.

I know, chance is very small.. as long as on meds and use condoms should be fine ;)

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BioHacker

Meds and condoms is really all you need. Statistically, HSV2 is so widespread because 80-90% of  people who have it are unaware that they have it, and so they don't take all recommended precautions (including using condoms). Oddly enough, if you were to replace your HSV2+ girlfriend (aware of HSV status, using condoms, using suppressive meds) with the average American woman (unaware of HSV status, but 25% risk, which is average - and using condoms at all times, since presumably you could insist on it), you would actually NOT reduce your risk of HSV2. The statistical risk would be approximately the same for both theoretical girlfriends (about 0.7% per year assuming sex 2x per week).

That is a bit simplistic, because maybe you could decide to date only women who are verified virgins (essentially no risk), or maybe "below average risk" in some way (younger than average, fewer prior partners than average, etc.), or you could have all prospective girlfriends IgG blood tested for HSV as a condition to dating them (or having sex with them), which would reduce the risk significantly (especially if you confirmed the paperwork), but not completely (since antibodies take some time to develop).

At some point, beyond-standard precautions become inconvenient and not worth the hassle (or risk of being perceived as paranoid). The risk isn't zero, and probably would never be zero, short of taking extreme measures. Efforts to reduce risk beyond standard practices, which already reduce risk to relatively low levels, are naturally subject to the law of diminishing returns. Accepting some level of risk is (unfortunately) part of the deal in most reasonable endeavors.

Also, there is statistically a greater likelihood of two people passing HPV between them one way or the other, than HSV2 (assuming all recommended precautions are being taken). Of course, you could get the HPV vaccine (everyone should!). But the vaccine only covers 10-15% of the types of HPV that are out there. And tests for HPV are imperfect, and generally not available for males. And HPV (some types) can cause cancer (cervical, penile, and throat - maybe others). So, keep that in mind as well. And then, of course, there are all the other risks . . . Best not to be paranoid though . . .

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17 hours ago, BioHacker said:

Meds and condoms is really all you need. Statistically, HSV2 is so widespread because 80-90% of  people who have it are unaware that they have it, and so they don't take all recommended precautions (including using condoms). Oddly enough, if you were to replace your HSV2+ girlfriend (aware of HSV status, using condoms, using suppressive meds) with the average American woman (unaware of HSV status, but 25% risk, which is average - and using condoms at all times, since presumably you could insist on it), you would actually NOT reduce your risk of HSV2. The statistical risk would be approximately the same for both theoretical girlfriends (about 0.7% per year assuming sex 2x per week).

That is a bit simplistic, because maybe you could decide to date only women who are verified virgins (essentially no risk), or maybe "below average risk" in some way (younger than average, fewer prior partners than average, etc.), or you could have all prospective girlfriends IgG blood tested for HSV as a condition to dating them (or having sex with them), which would reduce the risk significantly (especially if you confirmed the paperwork), but not completely (since antibodies take some time to develop).

At some point, beyond-standard precautions become inconvenient and not worth the hassle (or risk of being perceived as paranoid). The risk isn't zero, and probably would never be zero, short of taking extreme measures. Efforts to reduce risk beyond standard practices, which already reduce risk to relatively low levels, are naturally subject to the law of diminishing returns. Accepting some level of risk is (unfortunately) part of the deal in most reasonable endeavors.

Also, there is statistically a greater likelihood of two people passing HPV between them one way or the other, than HSV2 (assuming all recommended precautions are being taken). Of course, you could get the HPV vaccine (everyone should!). But the vaccine only covers 10-15% of the types of HPV that are out there. And tests for HPV are imperfect, and generally not available for males. And HPV (some types) can cause cancer (cervical, penile, and throat - maybe others). So, keep that in mind as well. And then, of course, there are all the other risks . . . Best not to be paranoid though . . .

Thanks mate for that. I don’t find it a risk as I’m with someone I see as future wifey type, not here to shag around... noticed on the American forums people just freak out here and spread misinformation so take things with a pinch of salt, thanks for the help here

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5 hours ago, Staystrong25 said:

Thanks mate for that. I don’t find it a risk as I’m with someone I see as future wifey type, not here to shag around... noticed on the American forums people just freak out here and spread misinformation so take things with a pinch of salt, thanks for the help here

That is really beautifully said. It is important to note that herpes is not an issue in most countries in the world.

You can live your life from fear or love!

 

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5 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

That is really beautifully said. It is important to note that herpes is not an issue in most countries in the world.

You can live your life from fear or love!

 

 It’s just a few spots, reality what’s the big deal... can still do everything else, even if I was to get it I dnt think it would bother me, but I would take precautions anyway. But not end of the world. If u get a cold from someone do you cry about it? No... because it’s normalised..

 

o btw my gf has hsv2, don’t know if she checked for hsv1 so she’s ordered blood tests online and will get them done... I’ve been tested anyway for everything, tbh think she has too but hsv1 was not on the text from clinic text message 

 

crazy my my cousin has herpes on mouth and never kissed anyone as he’s too young. No idea how he got it, probs from sharing drinks 

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@Staystrong25 again well said, my partner also has HSV-2; many women do. 

Is your partner testing at a private clinic? I see you're in the UK and they aren't big on typing herpes in that neck of the woods. How does she know it is HSV-2 that she has?

Your cousin most probably got oral HSV-1 as a very young child from a parent or other close relative. Babies love to chew lips when they are teething!

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31 minutes ago, WilsoInAus said:

@Staystrong25 again well said, my partner also has HSV-2; many women do. 

Is your partner testing at a private clinic? I see you're in the UK and they aren't big on typing herpes in that neck of the woods. How does she know it is HSV-2 that she has?

Your cousin most probably got oral HSV-1 as a very young child from a parent or other close relative. Babies love to chew lips when they are teething!

She had outbreak last year after being with ex, he has hsv2 but didn’t know at time, gf only gets it on labia two spots , and tbh it seems protected with condom use. In uk they don’t test for a lot I think, u have to ask for herpes hiv tests... etc..gf had swab done on spots , the clinic told her beforehands it’s sweat spot and sent her home! Luckily she went back n got tested...

 

ye she testing hsv1 private

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If anyone knows, she’s a year in to being diagnosed, she’s not on meds yet, she told me today she think she hVing outbreak tomorrow as has achying feeling on ass and thighs,even if we not having sex, she should go on meds? To control it and let immune system recover

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18 hours ago, BioHacker said:

yes meds (everyday for suppression)

Ok meds every day for rest of her life ? And which one there’s two types of meds

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The meds work the same as long as you take them every day (some are one a day, some are multiple times per day). They cost money, but there is no reason you can't take them for life. Most people would just take the meds, but if you are married for 20 years and the meds are annoying for some reason, and you don't care about it, then maybe don't bother? It's up to the two of you.

Skipping the daily meds would increase the risk from 0.7% per year to 1.4% per year (assuming sex 2x per week). That changes it from a 1-in-140 year event to a 1-in-70 year event (assuming you still use condoms every time). To be honest, most married people would probably rather skip the condoms before they skip the meds. It's up to you what measures you take though.

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