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    • Just a human being
      A lot of people don’t understand me nor the importance of the emerging evidence. They think I’m promoting a product or here for financial gain! They mistake a complex social environment with science failing to realise it’s an open poll with many factors affecting the outcomes! They mistake anecdotal trying as the way forward over the importance of the emerging evidence to shed more light on the mechanisms of how clearance could be achieved. That it opens up the further discourse for integrative medicine and related sectors in healthcare. That it means people will no longer have to run around for decades trying to find their answers! Our doctors and scientists are persecuted and ridiculed and too scared to speak the truth! Unless we build a groundswell movement behind it things won’t change. Instead people seek to destroy what they don’t understand! It’s been a tough, frustrating year arguing and advocating for the recognition of integrative medicine. Often with those HSV infected trying to beat it down THE MOST! I guess in any troubled times we have thoughts to turn back to to give us strength. Mine is Lady GaGa. Bullied at school and rejected many many times in her early career Lady GaGa is one of the wealthiest and most influential pop stars. Arguing for her brand of pop music she knew it was the next big thing but getting people to listen was harder.    Lady GaGa often gives inspirational speeches of success after much rejection:   “It’s not about winning,” Gaga continued. “What it is about is not giving up. If you have a dream, fight for it. If there is a discipline, or passion, it’s not how many times you get rejected or you fall down or are beaten up. It’s about how many times you stand up and are brave and keep on going.”   At the start of the year we looked into the astrology of the year. This is the year of Rahu. Rahu brings change with shocks to break down barriers and taboos. I have to say I groaned at little damn shocks and shakes haven’t I had enough in my life! We have certainly had many! I will not stop standing up for the truth and recognition of integrative medicine! Unity in the community is important. Stop destroying recognition of your treatment. Educate yourself on the complex social environment and start thinking like a scientist! Again I think of Lady GaGa.    START ROARING FOR CHANGE!             
    • WilsoInAus
      Hey @whereismyanswer my only comment for now is that are you sure these are cold sores and not another condition such as angular cheilitis? Valtrex is effective against oral cold sores in 95%+ of cases so there's a chance that something else is contributing at least.
    • WilsoInAus
      Hey @Hjkl33 and welcome to the community. You are right to dismiss the IgM results, they have no real value in an adult for all the reasons I'm sure you have read about. Your positive test is a very low positive and hence very likely to be false. This combined with what I suspect has been no outbreaks makes a false positive highly likely. Another IgG test will help your understanding, just insist this is what you want.
    • whereismyanswer
      hey there! I get them on both corners of my mouth. the right side feels like it never heals, while the left has outbreaks less frequently.   I was thinking an immunologist might be my next step since my GP is really giving me nothing anymore.
    • WilsoInAus
      Hey @whereismyanswer a good place to start might be if you can tell us what do these outbreaks consist of, where are they? Always on you lips? It may be that an immunologist might also be a good idea, but a good dermatologist is usually brilliant. 
dazed&confused(withsores)

I have no one to blame but myself

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So I'm 38 years-old and recently diagnosed with gential herpes. My IGG test was off the charts with HSV1 at 45 and my HSV2 was at 1.69. They said anything over 0.90 was positive. So I guess I'm positive for both. 

Anyways, the last time I was with someone was when I was 23 years-old. The girl broke my heart and took it with her as a trophy mounted on her wall for sport so I ended up taking time to just reflect and focus on myself (school, career, etc). Next thing I know 16 years passed by. Lonely, stupid, (and horny) me hooks up with someone I knew from my late teens and guess what?! Your boy gets body aches, flu symptoms, and a penis that looks like it caught coronavirus. The comfort of reacquainting with someone I knew long ago put me in a stupid trance, my fault, should've known better and stayed clear.

I only have myself to blame, I should've used a condom (wasn't thinking)......and I should've just stayed to myself. I did it for 16 years....could've done another 16.

Anyways, battled depression all my life, thought I was making heads way....now BAM! 

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WilsoInAus

Hey @dazed&confused(withsores) that test on its own does not confirm that you carry HSV-2. Anything less than 3.5 has a chance of being a false positive (a 50/50 proposition at worst for you. Further, your HSV-1 outcome is more than 10x your HSV-2 outcome - also a good indicator of false positive.

However I suspect that your test was undertaken too early.

So... If Day 0 was sex with this person:
- what day did the issues with your penis start?
- exactly what does a corono-penis look like?
- what day did you have the blood test?
- did you get a swab test?

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dazed&confused(withsores)
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Hi @WilsoInAus, thanks for the reply. I hooked up with the girl early Jan 2020 and took the igg test last week at the end of April 2020, forgot the exact day I don't have the papers in front of me. 

The only thing the doctor told me was "anything over 0.90 is a positive." So with a 1.69 for HSV2 and a 45.00 for HSV1 he said I tested positive for both HSV1 and HSV2 and offered some medication antiviral stuff to take. I didn't because I couldn't think and was distraught.

Anyways, the reason why I took the igg tests were 1) I got flu, body ache, and extreme fatigue symptoms along with 2) coronavirus penis. My penis had 3 large scabs the size of my index finger nail that fell off. I didn't notice any other symptoms. I must've not realized any of it. I'm assuming I had open sores if I had those scabs. I can't think of any other reason why my penis would've had those scabs without sores to heal to begin with. At the time of the test the scabs already fell off and healed so there wasn't any physical evidence for the doctor to see.

So Jan 2020 I hooked up with girl.

Mid April 2020 I noticed the scabs on penis along with body aches and flu like symptoms.

End of April 2020 I got test, by then penis scabs already healed up.

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WilsoInAus

Hey @dazed&confused(withsores) really good clarifying information.

This information points to no infection with HSV-2.

The most convincing evidence is that is does not take about 12 weeks for herpes to emerge. If the sores and flu like symptoms do not appear in the first two weeks of infection, they essentially never will. The virus does not lurk for 12 weeks before appearing in anger. It is also quite unlikely that the emergence of issues in mid April is related to January sex.

Although it may say on the test packet that >1.1 is positive, the practical reality is that low false positives occur quite often. Most infected people would test well over 5 by now.

All up, this looks pretty unlikely that a HSV-2 infection has occurred.

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dazed&confused(withsores)

Hey @WilsoInAus, maybe I might get retested in the future just to make sure.

It was weird because the doctor was sure as the sky is blue.

"You have both, HSV1 and HSV2!"-doctor

Maybe I have genital HSV1 only since the igg test was super high at 45. All this is unnerving and confusing. 

 

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WilsoInAus

@dazed&confused(withsores) your doctor is not correct in the interpretation of the test result.

Your HSV-1 result is normal, not high (there isn't really a high). There is little doubt you have had an oral HSV-1 infection since your childhood.

I think another test in a few weeks is a great idea that may shed more light.

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Quest

I agree with Wilso. 

Just because the test picked up proteins that are the same size doesn't mean you have hsv2. Especially with a number that low. The 45 hsv1 is positive. 

Go spend money and ask Terri Warren a question for 25.oo or whatever it costs. 

I know it is easy to be upset. I would be too. That test should have a much higher positive number because they don't pick up hsv in the blood. Common myth.

That test picks up one particular size of protein. That is why they assign numbers to tests, which we think are too low. The internet is peppered with low positives and it is a shame. It's not good when a doc thinks black and white with no possibility for grey area. Not his/her fault.

to give you an example, the lowest number I have gotten on the test is in the teens.

If you are giving us votes. I don't think you have hsv2 search the forum  or Terri Warren's site for low positive" as a key word.

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BobinColorado
On 5/6/2020 at 6:42 PM, WilsoInAus said:

The most convincing evidence is that is does not take about 12 weeks for herpes to emerge. If the sores and flu like symptoms do not appear in the first two weeks of infection, they essentially never will.

So I tested positive with HSV2 from blood test with an IGG of 4.  Negative HSV 1 with IGG of .17.  Never had any genital outbreaks I have noticed anyway.  Not sure how long ago i was infected.  Could be a couple months ago or a decade ago. 

You said " If the sores and flu like symptoms do not appear in the first two weeks of infection, they essentially never will."  

So does that mean I am likely to never have an outbreak?  Or do people start randomly having outbreaks all the time like 5 years after when they are infected?

 

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