Has anyone ever came close to knowing HOW to get all of the virus out of hiding / latency (besides gene editing and something requiring a drug trial that will never occur)?

[Laguna]

I am beyond my intellectual understanding of this question, but I know in many ways it lies at the root of how to cure this awful disease. I know Fred Hutch and other gene editors have their goals, but has anyone hypothesized or actually offered any other way to fully bring the virus out so it can be destroyed by drugs or immune system? I'm talking about something we can access at some point in our lifetime (that isn't reliant upon a drug trial that will not likely occur)? Like a chemical or mechanical or electrical or ANY way? I'm open to hearing anything no matter how far fetched it is. If you  want to have a highfalutin argument about this to derail any productive conversation, please restrain yourself. 

[Laguna]

ALSO, I am open to any suggestions as how to limit or restrict any of the proteins necessary for replication. Traditional type antivirals not included! 

[The song remains the same]

On 12/5/2021 at 5:32 PM, Laguna said:

ALSO, I am open to any suggestions as how to limit or restrict any of the proteins necessary for replication. Traditional type antivirals not included! 

First you must fast. I have done a 2-1/2 to 3 day fast using Lysine, water, herbal tea, some  morning caffeine (if you use it), electrolytes, oregano spirits mixed in a little wine and a good deal of monolaurin.  After the three days you have effectively starved the virus and created a turnover of the weak cells. You do it to help your immune system. I won't lie. It is very VERY difficult. 
For a month after that you stick to a low protein vegan diet with a little goat cheese. Before you eat anything load your body on Lysine. *This next part is very important* you must take a 500 mg pill of Lysine before each meal. What you are hoping to do is flood out the available arginine the virus needs to replicate.  Continue with the monolaurin (1 scoop) and the oregano oil (one dropper) twice to three times a day. You also need vitamins. Lots of them. Remember to take vitamin D religiously along with B-12 and a very good multi or the individual pills. After a month fast again. If you keep doing this you will greatly improve your immune system. It seems counter intuitive to fast once a month for three days as most people believe that starving your body is 'a bad thing'. It is possible that  without the protein you are used to eating you may feel a little weaker but as you do this you are also weakening the virus while strengthening your own immune system. You will become weak but the virus will start to loose it's abundance.

Remember if you can not stop it it will continue to proliferate and wake up it's friends back in the ganglion. You must take it to the brink of starvation at least temporarily.

Check your thyroid. If you are over a TSH of 2.5, you need to look into it. If you are above that your body can not deal with stress and your cortisol level will hamper your immune system's efficacy. 

You can not kill it permanently via this method but maybe you can put it into remission enough for your own body to start regaining it's fuller immune capabilities.  

I only ask one favor. If you do decide to use this please let me know if it helped. You can via message or you can through this thread. Best of wishes to you.

Edited April 16, 2022 by The song remains the same

[keep the faitth]

On 4/16/2022 at 12:06 PM, The song remains the same said:

First you must fast. I have done a 2-1/2 to 3 day fast using Lysine, water, herbal tea, some  morning caffeine (if you use it), electrolytes, oregano spirits mixed in a little wine and a good deal of monolaurin.  After the three days you have effectively starved the virus and created a turnover of the weak cells. You do it to help your immune system. I won't lie. It is very VERY difficult. 
For a month after that you stick to a low protein vegan diet with a little goat cheese. Before you eat anything load your body on Lysine. *This next part is very important* you must take a 500 mg pill of Lysine before each meal. What you are hoping to do is flood out the available arginine the virus needs to replicate.  Continue with the monolaurin (1 scoop) and the oregano oil (one dropper) twice to three times a day. You also need vitamins. Lots of them. Remember to take vitamin D religiously along with B-12 and a very good multi or the individual pills. After a month fast again. If you keep doing this you will greatly improve your immune system. It seems counter intuitive to fast once a month for three days as most people believe that starving your body is 'a bad thing'. It is possible that  without the protein you are used to eating you may feel a little weaker but as you do this you are also weakening the virus while strengthening your own immune system. You will become weak but the virus will start to loose it's abundance.

Remember if you can not stop it it will continue to proliferate and wake up it's friends back in the ganglion. You must take it to the brink of starvation at least temporarily.

Check your thyroid. If you are over a TSH of 2.5, you need to look into it. If you are above that your body can not deal with stress and your cortisol level will hamper your immune system's efficacy. 

You can not kill it permanently via this method but maybe you can put it into remission enough for your own body to start regaining it's fuller immune capabilities.  

I only ask one favor. If you do decide to use this please let me know if it helped. You can via message or you can through this thread. Best of wishes to you.

what if you fasted every week for 3 days for a a month while trying taking supplements and herbal teas? I heard alot of people tested negative after keeping an alkaline environment where disease can not survive. 

 

also train your mind to know that you are well and healthy even if you don’t feel as so this should aid tremendously in the healing process. 

i’m trying all these as well. keep faith 

 

 

[Laguna]

On 4/16/2022 at 1:06 PM, The song remains the same said:

First you must fast. I have done a 2-1/2 to 3 day fast using Lysine, water, herbal tea, some  morning caffeine (if you use it), electrolytes, oregano spirits mixed in a little wine and a good deal of monolaurin.  After the three days you have effectively starved the virus and created a turnover of the weak cells. You do it to help your immune system. I won't lie. It is very VERY difficult. 
For a month after that you stick to a low protein vegan diet with a little goat cheese. Before you eat anything load your body on Lysine. *This next part is very important* you must take a 500 mg pill of Lysine before each meal. What you are hoping to do is flood out the available arginine the virus needs to replicate.  Continue with the monolaurin (1 scoop) and the oregano oil (one dropper) twice to three times a day. You also need vitamins. Lots of them. Remember to take vitamin D religiously along with B-12 and a very good multi or the individual pills. After a month fast again. If you keep doing this you will greatly improve your immune system. It seems counter intuitive to fast once a month for three days as most people believe that starving your body is 'a bad thing'. It is possible that  without the protein you are used to eating you may feel a little weaker but as you do this you are also weakening the virus while strengthening your own immune system. You will become weak but the virus will start to loose it's abundance.

Remember if you can not stop it it will continue to proliferate and wake up it's friends back in the ganglion. You must take it to the brink of starvation at least temporarily.

Check your thyroid. If you are over a TSH of 2.5, you need to look into it. If you are above that your body can not deal with stress and your cortisol level will hamper your immune system's efficacy. 

You can not kill it permanently via this method but maybe you can put it into remission enough for your own body to start regaining it's fuller immune capabilities.  

I only ask one favor. If you do decide to use this please let me know if it helped. You can via message or you can through this thread. Best of wishes to you.

Thank you for replying. I honestly didn’t remember posting this question! But your answer is timely. I think your suggestions are great, but you said it won’t kill it completely. How long would you suggest this routine? How many months? Do you think there is a way to get it all out of the ganglia? As I mentioned, I do not understand (due to my limited understanding) why it can hide out there as it does. I’m wondering if some type of radio frequency device can be used to force it out in addition to what you are suggesting to then starve and kill it. I may try what you are suggesting very soon. I will let you know. Thank you again. Oh, and has this worked for you? 

[The song remains the same]

On 4/30/2022 at 8:51 PM, Laguna said:

Thank you for replying. I honestly didn’t remember posting this question! But your answer is timely. I think your suggestions are great, but you said it won’t kill it completely. How long would you suggest this routine? How many months? Do you think there is a way to get it all out of the ganglia? As I mentioned, I do not understand (due to my limited understanding) why it can hide out there as it does. I’m wondering if some type of radio frequency device can be used to force it out in addition to what you are suggesting to then starve and kill it. I may try what you are suggesting very soon. I will let you know. Thank you again. Oh, and has this worked for you? 

How long? I say: as long as you have to get results or until such time as you are convinced it is not working for you. You're  hoping to starve and kill the virus outside of the nerve cells. It ain't a fun solution (and really not even a solution) but it's better than nothing and it's the best I got. 

There are many viral particles sitting deep in your nerve ganglion which may be asleep or in the process of waking up and moving up toward the skin. When they get out of the nerve and into to the dermis tissue they start dividing. The viruses in your nerve are potential and may be the reason the many suffer from unsettling nerve sensations but they can not be removed from the list of techniques I have given nor the available medicine that has not been updated since the 70's.

For political reasons we have been stalemated from obtaining a drug which would have the capacity to if not eliminate it reduce the amounts detectable in the ganglion (Pritelivir). But sadly those of us suffering are held hostage my $$ interests who have no interest in allowing a better medicine to be approved. Crispr is a pipe dream to us in the US. Our FDA is too slow or is bought by too many $$ interests. I've been suffering brutally for many years some times worse than others and I will tell you there is no help for us once you've exhausted the 'one' drug which doesn't really work. You'll have to space out your usage of it to get anything out of it. Your doctors will not be able to wrap their head around the concept: "Valtrex doesn't work" so you will will really actually get no help. All the while the virus will get stronger in your body. If you are having issues raise a stink. Go on disability. There's going to be no help for this from what the US medical system can provide. 

[Laguna]

On 5/6/2022 at 10:01 AM, The song remains the same said:

How long? I say: as long as you have to get results or until such time as you are convinced it is not working for you. You're  hoping to starve and kill the virus outside of the nerve cells. It ain't a fun solution (and really not even a solution) but it's better than nothing and it's the best I got. 

There are many viral particles sitting deep in your nerve ganglion which may be asleep or in the process of waking up and moving up toward the skin. When they get out of the nerve and into to the dermis tissue they start dividing. The viruses in your nerve are potential and may be the reason the many suffer from unsettling nerve sensations but they can not be removed from the list of techniques I have given nor the available medicine that has not been updated since the 70's.

For political reasons we have been stalemated from obtaining a drug which would have the capacity to if not eliminate it reduce the amounts detectable in the ganglion (Pritelivir). But sadly those of us suffering are held hostage my $$ interests who have no interest in allowing a better medicine to be approved. Crispr is a pipe dream to us in the US. Our FDA is too slow or is bought by too many $$ interests. I've been suffering brutally for many years some times worse than others and I will tell you there is no help for us once you've exhausted the 'one' drug which doesn't really work. You'll have to space out your usage of it to get anything out of it. Your doctors will not be able to wrap their head around the concept: "Valtrex doesn't work" so you will will really actually get no help. All the while the virus will get stronger in your body. If you are having issues raise a stink. Go on disability. There's going to be no help for this from what the US medical system can provide. 

I hear you and I have been suffering for 19 years and it’s only gotten worse. I have raised a stink with my doctors so much no one wants to treat me it seems. I just threw my Hail Mary pass and got the Varivax shot a week ago and it appears I’m having an outbreak today 😔. I desperately want to get Pritelivir. I am at the end of my rope. There has to be a way to get it. I have been diagnosed with autoimmune issues. Is that enough to qualify for it? I bet not. Plus, you have to show proven antiviral resistance correct? You can message me if you have other thoughts to share. 

[CHT]

1 hour ago, Laguna said:

I hear you and I have been suffering for 19 years and it’s only gotten worse. I have raised a stink with my doctors so much no one wants to treat me it seems. I just threw my Hail Mary pass and got the Varivax shot a week ago and it appears I’m having an outbreak today 😔. I desperately want to get Pritelivir. I am at the end of my rope. There has to be a way to get it. I have been diagnosed with autoimmune issues. Is that enough to qualify for it? I bet not. Plus, you have to show proven antiviral resistance correct? You can message me if you have other thoughts to share. 

Hi Laguna..... I know what you mean about being "at the end of your rope!"  As for obtaining early access to Pritelivir, I went through the process along with my doctor.  I don't believe an autoimmune issue will qualify you for early access.... you must be immunocompromised.  As far as proving "antiviral resistance" I don't recall that being a requirement although we did discuss the fact my doctor suspected I had developed acyclovir-resistance.  Ultimately I was turned down for early access because I am not immunocompromised.  I am desperately awaiting the completion of the Phase 3 trial for Pritelivir and then hoping it is fast tracked on to the market.... at that point your doctor can write you a Rx "off-label" even if you are not immunocompromised.  

here's the link to the early access program in case you want to give it a shot:  https://mytomorrows.com/aicuris/en/physician/contact-us

best of luck.... take care.

[Laguna]

9 minutes ago, CHT said:

Hi Laguna..... I know what you mean about being "at the end of your rope!"  As for obtaining early access to Pritelivir, I went through the process along with my doctor.  I don't believe an autoimmune issue will qualify you for early access.... you must be immunocompromised.  As far as proving "antiviral resistance" I don't recall that being a requirement although we did discuss the fact my doctor suspected I had developed acyclovir-resistance.  Ultimately I was turned down for early access because I am not immunocompromised.  I am desperately awaiting the completion of the Phase 3 trial for Pritelivir and then hoping it is fast tracked on to the market.... at that point your doctor can write you a Rx "off-label" even if you are not immunocompromised.  

here's the link to the early access program in case you want to give it a shot:  https://mytomorrows.com/aicuris/en/physician/contact-us

best of luck.... take care.

Hi CHT,

Thanks for your post. Where are you currently at with treatment? I will talk to my doctor about trying to apply for the early access. I pray that it comes to market soon. This has to end. 

[CHT]

On 5/10/2022 at 6:10 PM, Laguna said:

Hi CHT,

Thanks for your post. Where are you currently at with treatment? I will talk to my doctor about trying to apply for the early access. I pray that it comes to market soon. This has to end. 

Hi Laguna..... currently, I take 1 g. of valacyclovir per day, everyday.  I'm not 100% certain it is making a whole lot of difference but, I'm too afraid to stop it and find out the hard way that it was actually helping. When I have an outbreak I use Zovirax ointment (acyclovir cream) and I think it definitely speeds up healing.   I've also tried famciclovir but, I did not see any difference in terms of outbreaks.  I also take a good number of supplements to help boost my immune system.... most are have antiviral and anti-inflammatory herbs that have shown some effect on HSV outbreaks.  Other than that, I stay away from all the usual outbreak triggers (too much caffeine, nuts/seeds including corn, chocolate etc).  

Right now I'm only working with my primary care doctor and quite frankly, he hasn't got much to offer other than refilling my Rx for valacylovir and Zovirax.  I worked with an infectious disease doctor a couple of years ago who was very much involved in trying to determine if I had developed acyclovir-resistance.... but, it was "inconclusive" and, as I mentioned, despite our attempts to get me on Pritelivir thru "early access" it failed. I seriously think my doctor was as disappointed as I was since he has run out of options for helping with the virus at this point.

[Sofreshsocleanclean]

On 4/16/2022 at 1:06 PM, The song remains the same said:

First you must fast. I have done a 2-1/2 to 3 day fast using Lysine, water, herbal tea, some  morning caffeine (if you use it), electrolytes, oregano spirits mixed in a little wine and a good deal of monolaurin.  After the three days you have effectively starved the virus and created a turnover of the weak cells. You do it to help your immune system. I won't lie. It is very VERY difficult. 
For a month after that you stick to a low protein vegan diet with a little goat cheese. Before you eat anything load your body on Lysine. *This next part is very important* you must take a 500 mg pill of Lysine before each meal. What you are hoping to do is flood out the available arginine the virus needs to replicate.  Continue with the monolaurin (1 scoop) and the oregano oil (one dropper) twice to three times a day. You also need vitamins. Lots of them. Remember to take vitamin D religiously along with B-12 and a very good multi or the individual pills. After a month fast again. If you keep doing this you will greatly improve your immune system. It seems counter intuitive to fast once a month for three days as most people believe that starving your body is 'a bad thing'. It is possible that  without the protein you are used to eating you may feel a little weaker but as you do this you are also weakening the virus while strengthening your own immune system. You will become weak but the virus will start to loose it's abundance.

Remember if you can not stop it it will continue to proliferate and wake up it's friends back in the ganglion. You must take it to the brink of starvation at least temporarily.

Check your thyroid. If you are over a TSH of 2.5, you need to look into it. If you are above that your body can not deal with stress and your cortisol level will hamper your immune system's efficacy. 

You can not kill it permanently via this method but maybe you can put it into remission enough for your own body to start regaining it's fuller immune capabilities.  

I only ask one favor. If you do decide to use this please let me know if it helped. You can via message or you can through this thread. Best of wishes to you.

I just got my diagnosis for hsv 2 and I’ve become vegan (I occasionally eat salmon and cod fish), but I take lysine twice a day, drink herbal tea 3x a day and drink spring water. I haven’t taken my oreganol yet, I’m waiting to get a colonic and do a lymphatic cleanse. Any suggestions on gaining weight. I’ve lost so much weight since I started and it’s so hard to find alkaline and high lysine food that will help me put on pounds.

[WilsoInAus]

3 minutes ago, Sofreshsocleanclean said:

I just got my diagnosis for hsv 2 and I’ve become vegan (I occasionally eat salmon and cod fish), but I take lysine twice a day, drink herbal tea 3x a day and drink spring water. I haven’t taken my oreganol yet, I’m waiting to get a colonic and do a lymphatic cleanse. Any suggestions on gaining weight. I’ve lost so much weight since I started and it’s so hard to find alkaline and high lysine food that will help me put on pounds.

Hey @Sofreshsocleanclean there is no need to become vegan because of a herpes infection. Whatever benefits you overall will benefit herpes. Cutting out meats has no positive impact directly on herpes.

No need to take lysine that's just a placebo. You do not, and probably should go out of your way to identify a high alkaline or high lysine diet thinking it will help herpes - it may actually be detrimental. 

Whatever is best for your overall health will be best for herpes.

[Enceladus]

I have a degree in microbiology and have designed CRISPR plasmids. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the viral infection, gene editing is the only way to completely eradicate the viral genetic sequence from our DNA. The virus itself has edited our cellular DNA to include a code which the virus uses to replicate itself. The gene editing technology would have to cut the viral DNA sequence and either remove it all together or insert something in there that will interrupt the transcription of the viral sequence. So, it is nice to see that, at least in China, they have successfully done this with HSV-1. So, it is only a matter of time until they do it with HSV-2.  I have had this for 20 years and at this point I would fly to China to get into a trial to get rid of it. But, yeah that is the only option unfortunately because once we are infected we are technically genetically modified so that is why gene editing is the only way to get rid of it all together. 

[Naturalady8]

I have recently found great and fast relief taking prescription Ivermectin. I just today started the horse version you can buy at Tractor Supply store or Chewy. It is a jelly like substance. My ob took about 24 hours to go away and then prodrome almost completely vanished for the week I took the pill form at 3 mg twice a day. It’s very expensive as a pill form, but cheap in paste form made for animals. I had no bad side effects either. I plan to take it daily. It is antiviral, and anti-inflammatory and gets rid of parasites that can make hsv worse. I just started the horse version today and an outbreak is apparent as I have a painful red spot. I have GHSV2.  I shall post updates or you can also message me. I hope this ob heals quickly like the last one did while I was taking the pill form. 
 

In terms of reducing or eliminating dormant or latent virus, besides gene therapy, IM 250 was shown to do that in animals. Five months ago a study began where they gave it to humans. The animals (mice I think) didn’t get any recurrent obs for 6 months after about 7 treatments. They didn’t keep testing after 6 months so who knows how long it really worked.